Thomas Wagensommerer Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) brown - purple - yellow - blue REALLY? Looking at screenshots from VW 2018 makes me extremely sad. Seemingly Vectorworks is the last application adhering to the kindergarten color scheme. A design application must not use colors in the interface! Look at any self respecting or professional design application and please get rid of those colors in the interface. Edited September 1, 2017 by Thomas Wagensommerer 3 Quote Link to comment
0 zoomer Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 It has been some time since I looked at Windoor but at that time it looked far superior to US Windows. German/Austrian/Switzerland (D/A/CH) localization has a much better Window Door Tools - according to local Building habits. And Story Level binding. But I think the coolest and most universal Tools exist in the Benelux Window Versions, which AFAIK does proper Window reveals in 3D geometry. Maybe that is also used in the French localization too or maybe they have have even more interesting Tools. I always avoid calling VW INT as INT, as it is so far from any international habits but so notedly localized US only, with imperial units, terms for parts, building standards, libraries (?), prioritizing and general habits. There was a time some years ago when I was totally sure that the only reasonable decision is to unite all VW localisazions now, let users decide which Tools to choose and use. And that NNA would do this - soon. But it never happened. 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Tom W. Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Thanks @zoomer That's really helpful. I would love the tools to wrap components properly in 2D + 3D... 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Christiaan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, line-weight said: Maybe. But then you might expect that it would be in the purview of Vectorworks to provide something at least as good as what can demonstrably be created by a maker with much more limited resources than they themselves have. Can't disagree with you there. It's well known what I think about the past lack of native window and door tool development. 2 hours ago, line-weight said: Yes - Windoor is for Australia or NZ I think? Windoor I know for sure used to support a global market; I received one of their last licences before they closed down support for the global market. Supporting a global market wasn't worth the hassle. The advantage developers of localised plugins have is that they can focus on their local market, in their own language, and refine their plugin to suit the technical nuances of that market. Vectorworks are developing for the US/UK and international market and I still don't fully understand why these tools have been neglected for so long, but part of the reason, as I understand, is that there are large pieces of the puzzle that need to be put in place—with regard to things like the way walls behave—before various things about the native window and door tools can be modernised. As far as I can understand they're fully aware of this gap and are working hard on it. My guess is that the decisions that lead to this bottle neck were made a very long time ago. Edited June 29, 2021 by Christiaan 4 Quote Link to comment
0 MarcelP102 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) Lately I discussed the difference per country of the window tool with the local reseller. He couldn't tell me much. But in the future an improved window tool will be more of a framework where each region/country can add there region specific code/items. I guess that will make sharing code easier so everyone benefit. Edited June 29, 2021 by MarcelP102 Quote Link to comment
0 Christiaan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, zoomer said: I always avoid calling VW INT as INT, as it is so far from any international habits but so notedly localized US only, with imperial units, terms for parts, building standards, libraries (?), prioritizing and general habits. Vectorworks inc do actually localise VW for the UK market too. 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Christiaan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MarcelP102 said: Lately I discussed the difference per country of the window tool with local reseller. He couldn't tell me much. But in the future a improved window tool will me more of a framework where each region/country can add there region specific code/items. I guess that will make sharing code easier so everyone benefit. I was seriously thinking about musing that this is how it should work in my previous post. It would make so much more sense to do it this way instead of reinventing the wheel in every country. Glad to hear that might be on the cards. Edited June 29, 2021 by Christiaan Quote Link to comment
0 zoomer Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Christiaan said: Vectorworks inc do actually localise VW for the UK market too. I wasn't aware of that. Quote Link to comment
0 zoomer Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Personally, I don't really need high LOD or details in BIM Tools. So in genereal I am very happy with a "reduced" INT version of a Software vs more expensive more specialized localized versions. Just that I think that VW INT is US - not INT. But I would prefer the user choice to select the most suitable of the BIM Tool. So either a united VW for all Version with/by Workspace customization, or, the PIO App Store with global access 🙂 Of course, if they plan to : 23 minutes ago, MarcelP102 said: But in the future an improved window tool will me more of a framework where each region/country can add there region specific code/items. and just wait for the Wall Tool update, that is ok too. 1 Quote Link to comment
0 line-weight Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 The window & door (and most other tools) certainly don't seem very localised for the UK market to me - most of the time I have the impression I am using a US-focused product. Especially with windows and doors I'm often guessing what settings actually do because they use building terminology much of which is meaningless to anyone used to UK terminology. This in itself is annoying and confusing. 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Popular Post line-weight Posted June 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Christiaan said: Vectorworks are developing for the US/UK and international market and I still don't fully understand why these tools have been neglected for so long, but part of the reason, as I understand, is that there are large pieces of the puzzle that need to be put in place—with regard to things like the way walls behave—before various things about the native window and door tools can be modernised. As far as I can understand they're fully aware of this gap and are working hard on it. My guess is that the decisions that lead to this bottle neck were made a very long time ago. I've seen this given as a reason before - and can understand that it might be why we have to wait for things like reveals in multi layer walls to behave properly - but it's no excuse for failing, for years on end, to fix basic dysfunctions like sills being drawn the wrong way round. It's also not really a plausible excuse for essentially making no improvements *at all* - again for years on end. 6 Quote Link to comment
0 Christiaan Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 12 hours ago, line-weight said: I've seen this given as a reason before - and can understand that it might be why we have to wait for things like reveals in multi layer walls to behave properly - but it's no excuse for failing, for years on end, to fix basic dysfunctions like sills being drawn the wrong way round. It's also not really a plausible excuse for essentially making no improvements *at all* - again for years on end. Agreed, can't get my head round that one either. 1 Quote Link to comment
0 E|FA Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 I just came across this one. AM/PM designation in the Solar Animation window is wrong in so many ways... 1 Quote Link to comment
0 line-weight Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 6/29/2021 at 8:51 PM, Christiaan said: Windoor I know for sure used to support a global market; I received one of their last licences before they closed down support for the global market. Supporting a global market wasn't worth the hassle. The advantage developers of localised plugins have is that they can focus on their local market, in their own language, and refine their plugin to suit the technical nuances of that market. Well - developer of Windoor is now part of global entity that is Vectorworks. https://blog.vectorworks.net/vectorworks-acquires-longtime-distributor-ozcad Quote Link to comment
0 Christiaan Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, line-weight said: Well - developer of Windoor is now part of global entity that is Vectorworks. https://blog.vectorworks.net/vectorworks-acquires-longtime-distributor-ozcad Interesting for sure but I wouldn't hold my breath. The press information is very much focussed on VW expanding into Australia and bolstering localisation efforts. It doesn't seem to be anything like the acquisition of PanzerCAD and CameraMatch, which was very much about bringing CameraMatch and Matt into Vectorworks. 2 Quote Link to comment
0 _James Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Has this wish been resolved with the release of 2024? Quote Link to comment
0 bcd Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 A single on/off button would replace these two. &/or on/off at the start/end/both Quote Link to comment
Question
Thomas Wagensommerer
brown - purple - yellow - blue REALLY?
Looking at screenshots from VW 2018 makes me extremely sad. Seemingly Vectorworks is the last application adhering to the kindergarten color scheme.
A design application must not use colors in the interface!
Look at any self respecting or professional design application and please get rid of those colors in the interface.
Link to comment
Top Posters For This Question
27
19
13
13
Popular Days
Sep 1
28
Nov 27
25
Jun 29
16
Oct 29
11
Top Posters For This Question
zoomer 27 posts
PVA - Admin 19 posts
Stephan Moenninghoff 13 posts
Kevin McAllister 13 posts
Popular Days
Sep 1 2017
28 posts
Nov 27 2018
25 posts
Jun 29 2021
16 posts
Oct 29 2018
11 posts
Popular Posts
Stephan Moenninghoff
I made another little video. There were some comments and suggestions about the OIP earlier in this thread which I thought about. (There's more to come. I have been thinking about why the Attributes P
Stephan Moenninghoff
Here is an excerpt from another proposal I made in 2016. This is about how the Quick Prefs and some other UI elements of the main drawing window might be improved. It already looks quite dated now whi
PVA - Admin
These may have been shared before, but I wanted to get some more current feedback. These videos include mockups of an improved Vectorworks UI by @Stephan Moenninghoff. Not only am I extremely grateful
Posted Images
191 answers to this question
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.