Vectorworks, Inc Employee Dave Donley Posted March 16, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 16, 2022 @Christiaan All good suggestions, thanks Christiaan! 1 Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:32 PM, E|FA said: Saved views from VWX file available in Nomad, please. What would also be nice is the ability to choose a particular Saved View when taping on Generate 3D Model. At the moment I think we rely on the active view in the file, right? Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee inikolova Posted March 16, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Christiaan said: At the moment I think we rely on the active view in the file, right? You are referring to the ability to define the initial view upon loading in the viewer, right? The old web view export was using the current position of the camera upon export for the initial view, but that hasn't been re-implemented for the new export and viewer. This is one of those things that we will work on for subsequent releases. I think there may be different ways to go about this. This might get connected to the wish for saved views, as the initial view is a flavor of a saved view the way I see it. Yep, I already have your other wishes on our list. Thanks! Iskra Nikolova 1 Quote Link to comment
Popular Post zoomer Posted March 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) With the latest news I also did another test. Looks much more useful than what I remember from 6 or so years ago .... But it was hard to find Nomad, as I tried from M1 Mini App Store where it will not be found, in iPhone/iPad Apps by searching for either Nomad or Vectorworks. OK, found it in the App Store on my iPad and installed it. Panorama Demo (was upside down for me) and 3D are great. Now my little wish, if the Nomad iPad App would also run on Apple ARM Macs in any way, (does not need to run perfect, input wise) it would be nice to run Nomad also on the Desktop, when no iPad available. If VW allows Nomad Desktop usage, I could control or test what I want to publish - before I give it away ..... Edited March 16, 2022 by zoomer 5 Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, inikolova said: You are referring to the ability to define the initial view upon loading in the viewer, right? I was mostly referring to active Class and Layer settings. At the moment we have to save the file in the state of active Class and Layer settings that we want visible in the generated 3D model, right? It would be nice to break this dependency, so that the file can be saved in any state and we can use a Saved View to control model visibilities instead. Edited March 17, 2022 by Christiaan 1 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Dave Donley Posted March 17, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Christiaan said: I was mostly referring to active Class and Layer settings. At the moment we have to save the file in the state of active Class and Layer settings that we want visible in the generated 3D model, right? It would be nice to break this dependency, so that the file can be saved in any state and we can use a Saved View to control model visibilities instead. A temporary copy of the file is automatically saved if you are using the Export VGX command, so you could invoke a saved view, export, give the exported VGX file name some clue about the view it's in, choose another saved view, export VGX again, name the VGX with the saved view. You don't have to save the VWX file again and again yourself that is automatic with the export VGX command. Maybe that helps some steps. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave Donley said: A temporary copy of the file is automatically saved if you are using the Export VGX command, so you could invoke a saved view, export, give the exported VGX file name some clue about the view it's in, choose another saved view, export VGX again, name the VGX with the saved view. You don't have to save the VWX file again and again yourself that is automatic with the export VGX command. Maybe that helps some steps. Sure, if you're working in Vectorworks. But what if you're in Nomad or the web portal—perhaps even out on site away from your computer—and you want to generate a 3D model, but somebody has saved the file with unsuitable layer and class settings? 1 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Dave Donley Posted March 17, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Christiaan said: Sure, if you're working in Vectorworks. But what if you're in Nomad or the web portal—perhaps even out on site away from your computer—and you want to generate a 3D model, but somebody has saved the file with unsuitable layer and class settings? Yes this can happen, we have noticed cases where export fails on the cloud when the file is saved in a view where there is no 3D geometry to export. A more full featured export would be more like Publish, where there is a lot more control. 1 Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave Donley said: A more full featured export would be more like Publish, where there is a lot more control. Do you mean you to say that you're considering the inclusion of a Publish command in Nomad? 2 Quote Link to comment
Kevin Allen Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I'd love to see Nomad Publish... with visibilities settings. Especially if the file is stored in the Cloud Folder or dropbox, although I see that adds a complexity. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Dave Donley Posted March 17, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Christiaan said: Do you mean you to say that you're considering the inclusion of a Publish command in Nomad? No not necessarily, but to improve over a piecemeal WYSIWYG workflow for you, something that lists all the views and lets you pick what to produce would be an obvious functionality, whether it is publish or just similar to publish. Somewhere you want to see a listing of what the VWX has in it and pick what you want to produce. The new generate 3D model/export VGX shows an options dialog, this could be elaborated further (maybe). Cloud Presentations let you stitch together 2D and 3D information but this is also a scrapbooking-like exercise that could use more automation, like what Publish does. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dave Donley said: No not necessarily, but to improve over a piecemeal WYSIWYG workflow for you, something that lists all the views and lets you pick what to produce would be an obvious functionality, whether it is publish or just similar to publish. Somewhere you want to see a listing of what the VWX has in it and pick what you want to produce. The new generate 3D model/export VGX shows an options dialog, this could be elaborated further (maybe). Cloud Presentations let you stitch together 2D and 3D information but this is also a scrapbooking-like exercise that could use more automation, like what Publish does. Syncing Saved Views between Vectorworks and Nomad seems like low hanging fruit for this kind of thing. Is that not such an easy task? 2 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee inikolova Posted March 17, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Christiaan said: Syncing Saved Views between Vectorworks and Nomad seems like low-hanging fruit for this kind of thing. Is that not such an easy task? Thank you for the continued discussion on saved views and the different cases where they may be useful. As far as I know from speaking to the developers, dealing with saved views and their class/layer visibilities, is not trivial. That is the reason why they were not included in the initial release. We will be having team discussions, considering your input, and we will see what's feasible for the short-term, and what would be more of a long-term goal. 2 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee inikolova Posted March 17, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 3:09 PM, zoomer said: Panorama Demo (was upside down for me) Panoramas have a fixed orientation due to numerous technical issues associated with handling device orientation changes. Try rotating your device to display the panorama in the correct orientation. On 3/16/2022 at 3:09 PM, zoomer said: it would be nice to run Nomad also on the Desktop, when no iPad available. If VW allows Nomad Desktop usage, I could control or test what I want to publish - before I give it away ..... We have plans to have Unity-based desktop 3D model viewer that you can use to view .vgx file on the desktop. I think this will satisfy your need. 1 Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, inikolova said: Try rotating your device to display the panorama in the correct orientation. I thought it is because I usually have rotation lock on. Yes, I finally rotated the iPad 180°. But I was wondering a bit why I could not rotate the model on screen. Usually when you reach the "north or south pole" of a Panorama (or standard view ?), it will stop, but you only need to slightly rotate around the pole to re-rotate for Z about X or Y axis. That did not work at all in this case. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee inikolova Posted March 17, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, zoomer said: But I was wondering a bit why I could not rotate the model on screen. Usually when you reach the "north or south pole" of a Panorama (or standard view ?), it will stop, but you only need to slightly rotate around the pole to re-rotate for Z about X or Y axis. That did not work at all in this case. I am not sure I understand the problem. Are you saying you tried to adjust the view while you were upside down, and that did not work? I think that is expected as the current restriction is that you can only view the panorama in a landscape orientation (rotated to the right). Yes, when you reach the North and South poles, the motion and orientation sensors stop there to prevent you from rolling over. You could drag the image to adjust the view up and down relative to the position of the device. Does this help? 1 Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I think I get it. It doesn't make sense to allow the user to manually rotate the panorama untill rolling over. I just wondered why Nomad started the panorama top down. Maybe I over tilted the iPad at that time and rotation lock prevented from correcting. Have to play with it. Quote Link to comment
Popular Post zeno Posted March 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2022 Good Morning I'd like to share with you the first in-depth experience with this new system, which I consider light years ahead of before, but which certainly, having been a long time and the technologies being improved also in the whole market, in my opinion it needs some important points to be solved in very short time, while for other things you can wait even longer. First let me exhale my enormous pleasure to see a model, even a large one, that can be shared with a link. In which you can turn the layers on and off, in which you can right click to point to a position and get there. It helps a lot, alone is a change that alone is worth a single thought: thank you for this work. Now that we are here, however, I would like to be able to say the most important points. - I had some problems with safari. No problem with chrome - I had some problems using the clip cube - The possibility of inserting borders must be added immediately. Even before ambient occlusion. In this way we risk losing much of the usefulness of this enormous work. The lines must be thin, no cartoon effect, and they must not show all the problems that vectorworks has with hidden lines rendering, where it always shows an intersection where in reality there isn't. This is a very important point because it makes the difference between understanding a project and not understanding it. I believe that here we first need to understand volumes, then calmly we can arrive at more realistic renderings. The rendering of the textures seems to me more than good for now. I only have problems with transparency. - I believe that implementing visibility of classes and saved views is something that does not require a lot of work, but that would also radically change the experience here! - It would be very useful to be able to add the visibility of 2D objects. For example, I would like to show how I developed a complex BIM model from 2D drawings of a structural project. If I could add it, it would be very clear to everyone. I add a screen to show what I mean. These are the most important things, for the others as higher quality, leaps in time and space I would abandon any development for the moment. I hope you will continue from this point of view, because what you have done is really beautiful, but in my opinion, as a user and designer and teacher, some very important elements are still missing. Thank you thank you and thank you again @inikolova 8 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Popular Post inikolova Posted March 26, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2022 14 hours ago, zeno said: - I had some problems with safari. No problem with chrome Seems that Safari is just slower on all stages - downloading the viewer, downloading and unzipping the scene, loading the scene. This might also be happening because of unpacking compressed textures on the CPU in Safari which could be incredibly slow. Not sure if we can do much for this, seems that Chrome is just optimized better than Safari. Potential future improvements in model file size and viewer size might help remedy the problem a bit. 14 hours ago, zeno said: I had some problems using the clip cube Would you please specify the problems you had, so we can investigate further? 14 hours ago, zeno said: - The possibility of inserting borders must be added immediately. Draw edges is on our list. Added your vote/comment to it. 14 hours ago, zeno said: - I believe that implementing visibility of classes and saved views is something that does not require a lot of work, but that would also radically change the experience here! Saved views and classes are being considered, but they are not trivial. Some discussion about classes and saved views here: 14 hours ago, zeno said: - It would be very useful to be able to add the visibility of 2D objects. This is on our list. I added your vote and comment to it. 14 hours ago, zeno said: I hope you will continue from this point of view, because what you have done is really beautiful, but in my opinion, as a user and designer and teacher, some very important elements are still missing. This was just the first release for the Unity-based viewer. We are continuing development of new features and improvements with full steam. Thank you so much for your constructive feedback, we are glad to hear you are satisfied to some extent :-). And thank you for the good words about the work that has been done so far! 5 Quote Link to comment
E|FA Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 @inikolova Thanks for the updates. I hope VW will continue refining Nomad, rather than releasing an almost great feature and then letting it linger (see Materials). 1 Quote Link to comment
E|FA Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Adding to the Nomad wishlist: 1. Better UI for Settings sliders (e.g. Ambient brightness). They are too short/sensitive, making it hard to fine tune the settings. They are also too small and are completely covered by your finger, forcing the use of an Apple Pencil. Option for typing in percentage would help. 2. Don't apply dark overlay on entire screen for setting slide out. You can't actually see the live view of the changes. Dark overlay is only needed behind the setting controls. 1 Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 9 hours ago, E|FA said: 2. Don't apply dark overlay on entire screen for setting slide out. You can't actually see the live view of the changes. Dark overlay is only needed behind the setting controls. Oh yes! I was thinking the same thing. I knew there was one I missed. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee inikolova Posted March 31, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 31, 2022 10 hours ago, Christiaan said: 2. Don't apply dark overlay on entire screen for setting slide out. This was a known problem before the release and we already have a partial solution for it. For the next release, the panel will hide when you start moving the slider. For a final solution, we are planning to have all the panels be adjustable size. RPReplay_Final1648750001.MP4 3 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee inikolova Posted March 31, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 31, 2022 20 hours ago, E|FA said: 1. Better UI for Settings sliders (e.g. Ambient brightness). They are too short/sensitive, making it hard to fine tune the settings. Noted! Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I have inherited an iPad + am using Nomad for the first time: I really like it! One thing: it would be good to be able to change the background + not always have the green ground/blue sky thing going on i.e. when you change to orthogonal projection to just have a plain light blue background like you do with VW. I couldn't see any options for this...? Quote Link to comment
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