Kevin K Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Jeff....come on now......you can’t factor in the drone time.... That would be tantamount to charging a Client for your two hour, two martini lunch before you even had a meeting with them!! :-) 1 Quote Link to comment
Jeff Prince Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @Kevin K While it do enjoy flying the drone, it can be stressful in an urban environment. The key to the lunch is to invite the client... more likely to exceed the 1 martini/hr rate 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Jeff hahahahah....touché Seriously, having access to a drone is great. I have had many remodel projects where I would have killed to have had some drone footage from above to know what was going on with an existing roofs, for as-built drawings. Quote Link to comment
Jeff Prince Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @Kevin K Yes, it is nice. I bought mine to take footage of my motorcycle adventures and general photography. Once I learned how to use it to make aerial maps and do 3d site analysis, work gained an extra level of fun. Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @jeff prince can I inquire as to about how many hours it took you to fly the drone with some level of confidence? Quote Link to comment
Jeff Prince Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @Kevin K I bought a cheap toy drone and flew it pretty much every day after work when I was in Kuwait. This taught me basic flight dynamics and trained my brain on how to reach the controls. Plus it was a lot of fun and could be done in my apartment when it was too hot to be outside. That little drone didn't have a camera or any flight aids, it was completely manual and tricky to handle, kind of like trying to drive an RC car at first, but with a Z axis to worry about 🙂 I estimate that I had about 100 hours over 5 months with the toy drones and became an expert at controlling them. I could fly it between legs of a chair, under cars, and land on book shelves at that point. When I upgraded to a prosumer drone, flying was second nature and I could then work on camera control and cinematography, a whole new challenge. I've written a few posts about this stuff here on the forum. This thread has a link to my first motorcycle video I shot with the prosumer unit and flown manually. If you like photography/videography, it is a really fun way to capture the action to compliment gopro type footage. Like anything though, you have to practice or the skills get rusty quick in my case. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 If you asked me "how much time does it take to drill a 1/2" hole in a 2x4?" I will not tell you "~1 min". I will factor in: loading up the car driving unpacking gear getting set up (drop cloths, safety glasses, etc) layout of the center punch mark for drilling setting up drill drilling the hole pack up the tool clean up area clean my way out of the house (did I make a mess?) set the alarm drive home unpack gear plug in batteries to chargers document the work & file for invoicing At this point I am free to work on something else & that is when the time for that job ends... So the time it takes to do something is the total gross time vs net time...It's the total time you are occupied by the task... 1 Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 now if you compare the level of detail for the existing building to the level of detail of the balcony you will see that the have a similar "weight" of detail... the existing building was 5hrs to model and the balcony was 6hrs...this is consistent direct modeling that will produce 3" details. 1 Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @jeff prince Thanks for responding to my question regarding time spent to fly your drone(s). Pretty cool when you can have a fun hobby that you can also incorporate into into your work life, Quote Link to comment
Popular Post Boh Posted December 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 hours ago, digitalcarbon said: At this point I am free to work on something else & that is when the time for that job ends... So the time it takes to do something is the total gross time vs net time...It's the total time you are occupied by the task... You a correct, that is a good way to illustrate chargeable time. And how much you charge relates to your level of expertise which you probably had to spend significant amount of unpaid time to accrue. If I were to factor in this unpaid training time it would be impossible for me to say if I would have spent more or less time working in 3D than I would have if I had stuck to a 2d workflow. I have spent many many hours learning (and facilitating others learning). What I do know is that: -Eventually I will get that investment of time back. -The quality of my design work is better. -Clients now generally have an expectation that their Architect will producing quality 3D work to illustrate their designs. -I enjoy the work a whole lot more. You can’t put numbers on any of those. If you could then the last one of course would have the highest number! 7 Quote Link to comment
RGyori Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 11:37 AM, Kevin K said: @CipesDesign Janis Kent!! Oh my....That was a while ago. Wonder what she is up to these days. She certainly was an icon during those times, I agree. She's doing just fine providing USA architects with a well rounded source for accessibility design and compliance. https://steppingthruaccessibility.com 👍 Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 And the mystery is solved ! Quote Link to comment
unearthed Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I often see drawing files where people have drawn things that no one will ever either see of need, hours are often spent/lost trying to draw 'reality' when a model is only ever a model: a representation (to a pre-defined level) of reality. Quote Link to comment
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TomKen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @digitalcarbon I did a similar balcony design for an apartment building. Instead of having the support brackets below we had a steel support (seat) at the wall below the balcony and the angled rod connections back to the wall above the balcony ( similar to a canopy support) This way most of the support structure was hidden in the guardrail design. Also notice you are showing horizontal cable guards, not allowed where I live as anything over 2' above grade needs to have a non climbable guardrail. Quote Link to comment
grant_PD Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just out of curiosity, @digitalcarbon what part of building the model and setting up the views do you think took the most time? Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 20 hours ago, grant_PD said: Just out of curiosity, @digitalcarbon what part of building the model and setting up the views do you think took the most time? The 10hrs to make a 2d existing conditions drawing from the hand sketch...there were dims that were unclear in the hand sketch done by the architect...we had a lot of head scratching as to the meaning of what he sketched...somethings did not add up...If sketch was clearer then this 10hrs could have been less. Everything else was straight forward as everything was direct modeled...no parametric... Had I used parametric then there would have been a lot of data entered into the OIP but not all of that data would benefit detail drawings... Then I would have had to add in 2d patching to my vps... and constant fiddling... I have a architectural project on the horizon that will test my "direct modeling no parametric" method...(I'm sure it will take a beating in some areas) When we type in data to the OIP for a parametric we need to ask ourselves "what does this actually get me in the way of my views & details?" If the top view looks great but the side view or section is bad then what was the purpose of using the OIP? Also thinking of not using Top/Plan for the plan but using a section cut to get the plan...this will make all my views look the same...we will see Now if we want place holders with a general shape then ok use the parametrics... but for some reason the architect I have done work for has this "shop drawing" mentality and likes everything spelled out...of course all his stuff is high end residential... Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 sample of old stuff... 1 Quote Link to comment
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