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  1. Not sure if there are any settings in the marker tool that will do this for you. A work around might be to edit the interior elevation marker style so that it fits in the room.
  2. Additional snap tips: You can create some custom tool scripts from the custom tool dialogue. I have one to set snap settings for detailing and another to set them back to my preferred defaults. One click trick! Also if you hold the ctrl+shift while pressing the arrow key the selected items will nudge to whatever your current snap distance is. This is set in the preferences under nudge settings. Using this you can rapidly nudge stuff around your page set distances without having to type in any measurements.
  3. What @zoomersaid. Another tip is to get in the habit of using the shift key to help constrain line work to vert horiz and snap angles. If you have the floating coordinates set to be visible then with the higher precision tolerance you can see if line work is slightly off the correct angle as you draw. Also if your work is mostly rectalinear then activating the snap grid set to say 5mm helps to keep everything tight. For detail drawing I set the snap grid to 1mm.
  4. Thanks @jeff prince and @markdd. My approach has to be all carrot! As we haven’t been using record data and data base worksheets for scheduling in the office much no one has really got much experience on how to set it up. It would be good to get the bones of a basic workflow together which I can then take to my team as a starting point. Keeping things simple I think is a gd idea. If anyone has any other clues to common pitfalls they have experienced working with records and database worksheets across an office workgroup that would would be amazing. Thanks
  5. Thanks @markdd. Yes I use the attach record command which I think is going to shortly get a lot more use from me. If you read on in the thread of posts you’ll see I have taken advice from others about not using VW to manage data so while I plan to attach a custom record to symbols I won’t be doing a lot more individual editing of that data for each symbol. I can see now that it is not really worth the time spent. Yes we already have a fairly comprehensive library placed in a workgroup folder as well as some pretty good project templates. This post was more about how to set up a system for presenting data attached to symbols in a file. Essentially finding the *best* way of combining the use of libraries, symbols, record formats, data tags and worksheets. I take your point though about keeping templates clean. I take a slightly different approach and tend to include some default resources that I know are used on almost every project. We tend to recreate the templates from scratch each time we do a version upgrade (every other version) so we take that opportunity to clear out out of date stuff. What is your advice with regard to setting up an office standard for record info/data. Cheers
  6. Thanks @halfcoupler & @jeff prince Yeah so clear messaging there: simpler is better!! @jeff prince I appreciate the “lone wolf” comment as I’ve been guilty of that in the past. Yeah I don’t want to spend a lot of time developing an amazing complicated system that only I will end up using. That said getting staff to appreciate the benefits of a smarter way of doing things is no easy task. No matter how significant or obvious the benefits of a different approach are sometimes people just resist change. We do need to get a more coordinated approach to how we specify this stuff however. So I’m hopeful that, without spending too much time, and with help and advice from experienced users like yourself and @halfcoupler on this forum I can set up the bones of a basic system that will have the essentials in place and be accessible enough for others to appreciate its advantages and how it can work for them. If I can do that I will at least get the “buy-in” of the more progressive staff. So to simplify things down then this is what I am now thinking: Just have one main record format attached to almost all library fittings symbol definitions. (This would include plumbing fittings, equipment, furniture and even light fittings). The record would have just two fields: 1. “ID” (with “[ID]” as the record field default) and, 2. “Description” (with a blank as the record field default). To avoid the data management nightmare, library symbol definitions would generally just be left with the record format defaults. Specific data would be added to the symbol once it’s brought into a project file where it can be tailored to suit the project requirements. Custom data tags and preformatted database worksheets would be added to the project templates files. The custom data tags would link to objects with the record format. The tags would just display the symbol’s “ID” field. (Different versions of this tag could be used depending on if the symbol is a plumbing fitting, equipment or furniture etc). The worksheets would just have the two columns to report on I.e. the ID and description record formats. Worksheets could have criteria so they only call up records present in a sheet layer and/or alternatively, using classes, they could just call up plumbing, electrical or furniture fittings. How does that sound? Do you think this is still too complicated and could be simplified further? Please keep the advice rolling in! 🙂 @halfcoupler I really like the idea of managing the data outside of vw. Can I ask if you work in a collaborative office scenario with this system or are you a sole practitioner? Also do you issue your indexed external spreadsheet with the project drawing set or do import the spreadsheet into vw or copy / paste the info from the external spreadsheet into a worksheet in your vw file? Also how do you do your indexing? Do you use a script to index your symbols or do you do this manually? Are the index numbers used as identifiers on your drawings sim to my ID field? Or are they used purely for internal management of symbols? Please if others have advice please chime in! Thsnks
  7. Hi, I’m looking for any advice and tips people are willing to throw my way. We are a smallish architect practice and Im hoping to streamline our scheduling of things like plumbing fittings, equipment/appliances, lighting, furniture etc. We don’t have a standard way of doing this, and what we do basically involves a lot of callouts and notes that have to be reinvented for each project. We have a good library of standard 2d and 3D symbols for all this stuff. What we don’t have are custom records or data attached to most of it. Nether do we have a decent collection of data tags, or custom worksheets for reporting on this stuff. So I’m now looking to add custom record fields with symbol specific data to the symbols in our library and from this the plan is to be able to drag a symbol into a project, slap a data tag onto it and have some nicely set up worksheets on our drawings available to display the preformatted symbol data. We can then add and edit the data as required for the project from within the worksheet to pretty quickly spit out plumbing, equipment, lighting and furniture schedules on drawings. This is something I have wanted to do for some time but it is quite a leap from how our office has done things in the past so I’ve always thought if I’m going to do it I need to do it really well. I know it is the way forward and wil be a massive time saver, but a half baked system won’t get the uptake I need for it to become established in our office. I’m now taking the dive and would dearly appreciate the advice of people who perhaps have driven this road before. So I know the basics of how all this works and yesterday I thought I’d start out with plumbing fittings. So I spent some time first creating a custom record format for plumbing sanitary fixtures. I thought through what fields I would need and how setting up the correct fields would impact on how the info would be pushed through onto worksheets on drawings. I set up an “ID” field as well as “Fixture Type”, “Style”, “Location”, “Description” fields. So for example a wash hand basin might be: ID: WHB Type: Wash hand basin Style: Wall mounted Location: [project input] Description: Caroma Caravelle 500 Wall basin with methven blah blah mixer, 40mm outlet etc etc. I thought while I’m at it I might as well add some more record fields that may be useful so I stuck in “Manufacturer”, “Model”, “Model No.”, “Finish”, “Size” and “Price”. Though most of this could be covered in the “Description “ field. I then made a Data tag that would attach to objects containing the Plumbing Fixture record. The data tag would display the ID field and help anyone reading the drawing see which schedule item related to which item(s) on the drawing. I then started attaching the record to the many plumbing fitting symbol definitions in our library and one by one editing the field data to suit each symbol. This was very tedious but I kept reminding myself that it would save a lot of time in the long run. This isn’t the first time I have done this, I have managed to do this sort of thing on various specific projects but it is the first time I have set it up as part of a library with the intention for it to be an office standard. So developing a pragmatic, flexible, intuitive system that makes sense and is easily applicable to the various types of projects we do and that everyone in the office can understand and benefit from is the tricky bit! Are there people out there who have “been there done that” before and can offer some great tips? Questions: Do my custom records need anything else? I must have edited and re-edited them a dozen times trying to figure out if they covered everything off. Or should I trim them right back to keep them really simple? Any suggestions appreciated. It would be good to know if there is a quicker way to add data to symbol definitions. That is by far the most time consuming aspect of this. I know there is a command to add a record to all symbols in a selected RM folder. But subsequently editing the data from the record field defaults to something specific about the symbol it is attached to is painfully slow. Can the Data Manager be used for this? I had a look at it and found it more confusing than anything else. Do I need different records for plumbing fixtures, equipment and furniture? They would all have the same type of “ID”, “Type”, “Style”, “Location” and description fields so why not just have one record to cover them all? If they all used the same record I could more easily combine them all into one worksheet which would be useful and they could be all covered off with one type of data tag. I could also use classes to filter stuff in or out of the worksheet schedules. For worksheets is it a good idea to have individual worksheets for each sheet of a project file calling up the data from all the symbol data present just for the viewports present on each sheet? Then also have an “editor” worksheet so that data from all plumbing fixture symbols (or equipment symbols or whatever) in the file could be managed in one place? Or is there a better way this is just creating unnecessary work? Any tips on setting up useful data tags? Could some generous soul please share their own super flash custom data tags? Mine look pretty crap... Well done for making it all the way down here and thanks for even reading all this! Hopefully you are inspired to share you IP!! Cheers.
  8. You can change the vw icon with custom colours. See this post:
  9. I gave up on the scale bar a while back and instead created a set of my own scale bar symbols that I place on the sheet layer. They look exactly how I like them (I don't like any of the default scale bar styles) and they stay put even if the viewports on the sheet move. I do have to remember to make sure they are correct for the VP's on the sheet but I can live with that. There is a wishlist somewhere to "fix" the scale bare tool as at the moment it is a bit half baked.
  10. My workaround to this (on windows) is to have a folder on my desktop containing shortcuts to files and locations that I often need to access. This includes shortcuts to my workgroup folder, user folder, backups folder, and my note library .xml file.
  11. For Keynote legends I don’t think you can set up a default “style”. What we have done is create a keynote legend the way we like it and then place a copy on the relevant sheets of our template files. (We only use keynotes on sheet layers). This way keynotes created on these sheets will use the extg keynote legend on the sheet by default rather than create a new “unstyled” one. This is what we do. The only downside I can think of maybe if you create a new project from another project file then the new file will still be referring to the orig file’s database. Re project sharing, I haven’t used it that much to be certain but I don’t see why it shouldn’t work. I tried removing the default databae files but found the database manager just wouldn’t work. I posted about it on the forum a few weeks ago. I had to stick them back. We only recently upgraded from vw2019 to 2021 so the DB manage is still kind of new for us.
  12. So looking at my hotel file the room unit symbols consist of only a few walls. The intertenancy walls and exterior walls are not part of the symbols. I have used window styles to control the exterior windows and design layers to repeat floor layouts. As there are only minor differences between floors 3-6 I have used classes to control the visibilities of these objects on each floor. I don't know if this is the best way to do this. At the moment we are just doing a reclad on this project so we haven't had to play with the interiors and the unit symbols much. You can see my file set up in this short vid. Hope that is helpful. 2021-05-03 08-34-24.mp4 Cheers Edit: I note also that looking at the wall style used in the symbols it is super basic with no components. That maybe a factor in how well they behave in symbols, not sure, maybe not. Also to note this model was created in vw version 2019. I don't know how it would behave if using version 2015 which you are using.
  13. I use both DL viewports and walls in symbols for hotel work. The walls in symbols are the interior hotel unit walls. Their heights are defined by layer height rather than storey / level bound. I have had occasional issues with the wall heights where I’ve had to adjust their heights but once they behave and I don’t edit the symbol in any other way they manage to keep the heights set. It may be better to edit the symbols in place rather than via the RM. If you can’t get it working it may be better to try DL viewports instead. I use design layers vps for repeating floors. A current project of mine is a 6 storey hotel. Levels 3 to 6 are pretty well identical so levels 4-6 are just DL VPs of level 3. Each DL VP lives on its own DL and z heights are controlled via the layer elevation control. Ill look at the file later today to see if there is anything else I do to make it work.
  14. Thanks for the advice @jeff prince. I’d rather find a cause and hopefully not have to confirm autosaves each time. Im a long time vw user and this is the first time this has ever happened. I did notice the file was generally laggy esp going in and out of viewports in that last lost hour. I prob shld have noticed something was up and did a restart.
  15. My file crashed so I went to retrieve a backup and found VW hadn't backed up anything for the last hour. There is nothing wrong with my autosave preferences. So a bit frustrated that I just lost an hours work but more importantly why did this happen and what can I do to avoid it happening again? Any ideas? Thanks
  16. @drelARCH is correct their should be a dialogue prior to items being deleted but sometimes I get lazy and dont pay attention... Do you purge your files? If so perhaps you have “purge special symbols” selected in the purge dialogue and perhaps “preview items to purge” unchecked? This would wipe out styled symbol definitions.
  17. Possibly deleted by accident. This is what I occasionally do: I drag a resource into my drawing from the RM then realize I didn't want it. Hitting delete straight away acts on the resource definition in the RM rather than the instance in the drawing. I have deleted several styled objects this way (where the instances of a deleted style become unstyled). I have to remember to select the resource instance in the file first before hitting delete...
  18. This has been raised a few times on the forum though I don't know if anyone has wishlisted it so I think that would be a very good thing to do! Some other strings with a few different suggestions include: https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/search/&q=split worksheet wishlist&page=2&search_and_or=or&search_in=titles&sortby=relevancy
  19. Change “Ebene” to a design layer.
  20. In your first screenshot it says the tb border is unstyled but in your second it is calling it “title block border style” so not sure what is going on there. I don’t use the fit to page option so not sure if it is buggy. I suggest you try making more of the tb settings, incl sheet size, by style rather than by instance so all TB s can be better centrally controlled. Do this by editing the style settings from the RM Perhaps check your page set up settings. There is an option to scale the page in the print options.
  21. Incorrectly classed objects are the difficult ones as objects on the the wrong layer usually come out in the wash. Worksheet could be the way to go. Perhaps do all objects on one layer at a time? Another semi manual option if you don’t have too many classes is, layer by layer: Purge all unused classes and empty design layers select all objects in a certain class (magic wand tool), group them, go into the group with “see objects outside the group” (or whatever it is called) switched off. Hopefully you can quickly see if all the objects in the group are in the correct class. Reclass objects as required. Exit group and ungroup. Do next class. Move to next layer and repeat. The problem with this approach it doesn’t address objects that are already in groups or in symbols. For groups you may have to ungroup them all. For symbols, if you don’t have too many, you could purge unused symbols then just go through the RM checking each one. Perhaps check their insertion class settings while you are at it. Hope that helps.
  22. I have had a similar issue once when I was viewing a design layer viewport that had been cropped. When I deleted the crop object then the problem went away.
  23. Boh


    As well as reduce file size I often purge to clean up the file and make it more manageable. I don't know if it makes much difference to the actual running of the program but at least it will open quicker - depending on how much stuff you can purge.
  24. Boh


    I use to autosave every 5mins but had problems on larger files as the actual autosave operation could happen when I was doing something else high usage and would often crash the program. I took someone's advice on this forum and switched to saving by number of operations instead and the crashing issue doesn't happen nearly as often as it used to.


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