Christiaan Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 How are people tending to set up their files now that we have Layer-less levels? Are you still keeping your structural slabs on a separate layer for instance? Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Here is a worksheet that I will use to teach model set-up using levels, layers and stories. It is intended primarily for new construction but can be adapted to renovation work. Begin by determining what is desired for Ceiling Height, then work through the known thicknesses of materials, etc. You now have all the dimensional criteria to enter into the various fields for Default Level info, story height, etc. You can rename your level types to suit. I’ve been told that this is “overly complex”, the reasoning was that you don’t need a ceiling level/layer. Fine, don’t use it. The Finish Floor level and its layer “Floor” is used (or not) because those values may or may not be known and are subject to change...I draw walls on the Floor layer and set interior doors on that layer as well, this lets the bottom of the door and its trim to be set at the correct elevation. I set footings in a separate class and on a separate layer so they are easier to draw under the already drawn foundation walls. Edited October 29, 2014 by Wes Gardner Quote Link to comment
Benson Shaw Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thanks, Wes! -B Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 That's really good ! Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 How are people tending to set up their files now that we have Layer-less levels? Are you still keeping your structural slabs on a separate layer for instance? If the building is complex it would be good to keep the slab in a different layer, but if it is not complex, use a class to control visibility. Foundations and the slab are often easier to have in their own layer. I like the worksheet from Wes. it would be useful to mark this up for each project to show what levels are needed, and what names you have used for each level. Quote Link to comment
Patrick Fritsch Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 With my brief experimentation, for me the tricky part is setting the wall styles components to bind to specific layers and levels while allowing me the flexibility to override it in the OIP when I see fit. It's difficult to determine how the wall will adjust/behave when playing with the overall binding controls in the OIP without knowing exactly how each components binding settings are in the wall style. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm not sure if wall heights settings in the wall style was ever a good idea anyway. Quote Link to comment
Patrick Fritsch Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Sooner that's a good point, maybe all the walls components settings should just be thrown into the OIP. This may avoid duplication of wall styles to simply have minor adjustments. Perhaps a radio button in the OIP that says "use OIP to control component binding"... Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I tried to avoid another thousand duplicate wall styles by height and did some manual wall height dragging Unfortunately these modifications get lost over time when changing connections etc. ... So no good idea either Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Hey All, Be careful with your OIP...it will display the binding conditions for the container class of the wall style but DOES NOT show the binding conditions for the individual components. This could inadvertently lead to confusion. I've also included a screen shot of a little building that uses that set-up worksheet as well as a.vwx file with a wall style including levels, layers and stories. I've also included the beginings of a wall section showing how all the modeled parts come together. Wes Edited October 29, 2014 by Wes Gardner Quote Link to comment
bohlr Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Wes Thanks for the Worksheet - Helps to explain the nomenclature of the level settings embedded in VW! I have been confused as to what exactly the top and bottom of the structure was intended to define. Worksheet makes it pretty clear - the top and bottom of the structural framing associated with the with story. Could you post the file that created the building shown in the two *.png files. It might answer a couple of questions that I have i.e.: How was the stepped footing and foundation wall created? How are the components of the slab styles defined How much of the section is created from the underlying components? - specifically how was the brick ledge created in the poured concrete wall - were the roof sheathing and ceiling material associated with the roof face or added manually to the section, Thanks Rick Bohl Quote Link to comment
jnr Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wes: Unfortunately there is a printing problem with PDF's out of the initial version of 2015. Your model setup pdf piles all the text in each note on top of itself and is illegible. This has happened to me on two different printers. Any chance you could reprint w spk 2? thanks -J Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted November 7, 2014 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wes: Unfortunately there is a printing problem with PDF's out of the initial version of 2015. Your model setup pdf piles all the text in each note on top of itself and is illegible. This has happened to me on two different printers. Any chance you could reprint w spk 2? thanks -J Are you printing from Adobe Reader or Acrobat and seeing this text issue? What occurs when you open the PDF in Preview and print? Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Hey All, Jim will need to work through your printing issues...(sorry to dump on you Jim) As far as the model... All GREAT questions. I'll send out the model to anyone who wants it... It IS a work in progress so things are not all the way worked out – I continue to test/push things to get as close to "real world" building conditions as possible – to me, that IS BIM… Wes Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted November 7, 2014 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted November 7, 2014 Jim will need to work through your printing issues...(sorry to dump on you Jim) It's what I do Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Here are some answers to Rick's questions... The stepped foundation uses “wall peaks” and the Reshape Tool to add nodes and drag them to where you need them… Slab Style components are set up with “sub floor” as the “datum” ALL of the sectional information comes from the model Brick ledge was created with wall peaks as well – in the wall style only the outer component of the foundation wall is “allowed” to “Follow Wall Peaks” – a little trickery going on there…I need some time to get the line weight working here... Roof was modeled in three pieces, one for the ceiling (since it’s vaulted), one for the sheathing and one for the rafter space. Things could be different soon... Regarding the Set-up Worksheet - I think I'd create one for each building type you're working on so that it's a little more specific...this one was just a start...there WILL be more... Stand by Wes Edited November 7, 2014 by Wes Gardner Quote Link to comment
Mitch Brooks Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Wes, I have downloaded the Katrina Set Up.vwx and opened it in VW2015 but I don't see any model - no walls, slabs or roofs, etc. All classes and layers on and active. I do see the classes, layers and storeys setup info but no model elements. What am I missing?? Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Hey Mitch, That file is just the set up with the levels and stories and a wall style - no modeled elements, I'll send you the file separately as it's bigger than the board can handle... Wes Quote Link to comment
MaltbyDesign Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) In reply to JimW's post #204828, I've seen this issue and always print from Preview and it eliminates the problem. Edited November 12, 2014 by MaltbyDesign Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Roof was modeled in three pieces, one for the ceiling (since it’s vaulted), one for the sheathing and one for the rafter space. Things could be different soon... Tantalising. Quote Link to comment
Patrick Fritsch Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hopefully "soon" as in a service pack like Revit and others are doing since the majority of us users are on subscription deals... Quote Link to comment
jnr Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 JW: Sorry for the delayed response. Printing out of acrobat XI pro and from preview (doesn't matter). Garbled text was happening both native out of 2015 and export to pdf. The issue is in the creation of the PDF, not its printing if same results in pdf and direct from 2015. Seems to have fixed itself in sp 1 which was why I was asking him to export and post. Did not have the problem in 2014 or in 2015 sp1. plotting to a new hp 36" T520. -J Quote Link to comment
dtheory Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hi Wes, Any possibility that you could make the file with the modeled elements available to the board? Possibly through Dropbox or some other service? I think it could be helpful.. Thank You, david rosenfeld dtheory design+build dtheory@gmail.com http://dtheory.com Quote Link to comment
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