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@gfp38Try this. each of your exrefs have the same reference point i presume. Push 0 on num pad to reset each reference original. Re set the reference point 0,0 point to each referenced original and close each one. do this one at a time till all have been done. Then open the drawing with all the references attached and they (hopefully) will all be in the correct location.

HTH

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Thanks Alan. I think this only happens when someone updates a drawing on a PC, whereas most of us use Macs. The drawing pack is fairly large and then I hate to think what would happen to all the annotations and sheet layers.

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On 26/06/2017 at 9:29 AM, anton5 said:

is the layers rotated to '0' degrees when updating the referenced link?

kind regards anton

 

No rotated plans I'm afraid.

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Than prior to updating the references, set the rotation to '0', than update reference, and re-set to the normal rotation, this should solve the issue of the skipping around viewports, at least it did for us. we found this solution by coincidence.

 

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This is an unbelievably frustrating problem we have encountered throughout the last 10+ years and never seems to get resolved.  For all the time we have spent correcting drawings that have randomly had referenced files shifted, Vectorworks technically owes us money.

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We also suffered from this issue recently - a colleague told me about it just after updated to SP2. I was convinced it must be something we had done - some sort of reference screwup changing between new and old referencing styles or some such - but we never worked it out.

 

After reading these posts, I'm inclined to say it must be the same issue. Can it really be true that this has been occurring since 2013 and is still not resolved??

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Scratching our heads, we've been wondering if it's because we have Macs and PCs working with these referenced files. Maybe the references behave themselves with a Mac only or PC only VW team? Nonetheless, it's unacceptable.

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Just now, gfp38 said:

Scratching our heads, we've been wondering if it's because we have Macs and PCs working with these referenced files. Maybe the references behave themselves with a Mac only or PC only VW team? Nonetheless, it's unacceptable.

 

@gfp38- I can confirm we use a Mac only environment in our office, so mixing windows and OSX machines doesn't appear to the cause of the issue (in our case anyway).

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just experienced this problem for the first time with VWX 2017 SP5. Never experienced this problem before other than sometimes when Workgroup References get erroneously selected to 'Ignore source user origin'. This is occurring while Workgroup Referencing layers from a Shared Project base plan file into individual sheets and I confirmed none of the referenced files selected the 'Ignore source user origin' option.

 

I have no idea how the origin shifted from internal origin on the referenced file but the problem is that fixing that on the referenced file does not automatically fix the issue on all the other drawing sheet files. I still need to go into all those other files and do the same.

 

Vectorworks: once again I have no idea how this happened - whether "user error" or a bug but in any case even if due to user error there need to be significantly better safeguards to prevent a single miskey or typo from having such a significant impact on the organization and structure of a drawing set. Things like this need to be "bullet proof" and not at "mercy of a sneeze".

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something else I noticed is that when you go to Tools / Origin / User Origin... (or just Command+9) the default selection if you hit 'OK' is 'Set User Origin to next mouse click'. Unless you immediately select 'Cancel' wherever you happen to click next is you new User Origin location.

 

I think that is an absolutely horrible arrangement for a default setting. Usually when I hit 'OK' at a window like this and have not changed any of the settings I assume no change to any of the settings. If someone were to inadvertently hit the Command+9 shortcut and didn't notice otherwise that can easily become a very costly mistake. If the 'Disable dragging for the User Origin button' is supposed to prevent that from happening it definitely does not work.

 

I think this is the software equivalent of bad ergonomic design and Vectorworks should seriously re-think it. Hitting 'OK' at a selection like this should always maintain the current default whether origin set to Internal Origin or different User Origin. At the very least there should be a Confirmation prompt before allowing this change. Considering the impact this is not a change you would want to make on a whim.

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I'm new here, but signed up as I finally found this thread which has reassured me that I'm not doing this to my own project files!

 

I recently isolated the problem to referenced files, where these are saved in a rotated position in the source file. When you return to the target file and this updates, the referenced drawing ends up somewhere else. I wonder whether this has anything to do with Vectorworks trying to provide a different set of coordinates when in a rotated view (highlight in blue along the viewport boundaries). I run a small practice and we pay a large annual fee to Nemetschek to remain up to date. I have experienced these problems for over 2 years on a number of jobs, losing countless man hours opening and closing files, unrotating viewports, moving references back to their original positions and re-setting the user origin. I frankly can't believe that such a basic flaw in the Vectorworks software architecture can exist, and that it has done so for 5 years! Does anyone from Nemetschek even have the courtesy to read the forums and find out about user experiences and respond from a developer perspective? - I can't see any official response to any of the previous posts.

 

I'm not going to waste our time learning to use any enriched BIM features when you can't even trust the file coordinates! If they don't solve this by 2019 I'm taking the whole office over to another platform. Is it too much to ask for a system that can reference and rotate as well as Microstation could 15 years ago?!

 

You may be able to tell that I've just ended another afternoon of wrangling with this deficiency...

 

[VWorks 2018 SP2, Mac OSX High Sierra]

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@1608chrisHi We had this problem ages ago but not since. Cause appeared to be the model too far from the internal origin of the program

How we fixed the broken files was NOT to rotate design layers or viewports as they will revert back .

Try this. each of your exrefs have the same reference point i presume. Push 0 on num pad to reset each reference original. Re set the reference point 0,0 point to each referenced original and close each one. do this one at a time till all have been done. Then open the drawing with all the references attached and they (hopefully) will all be in the correct location.

HTH

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Alan,

 

Thanks for the advice. After much frustration I have discovered how to reset things through trial and error in the past, but I really don't think I should have to. Rotating a view should have zero impact on world coordinates and this still needs a big fix for the software to be fit for purpose.

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28 minutes ago, 1608chris said:

Alan,

 

Thanks for the advice. After much frustration I have discovered how to reset things through trial and error in the past, but I really don't think I should have to. Rotating a view should have zero impact on world coordinates and this still needs a big fix for the software to be fit for purpose.

In the File>Document Settings>Document Setup select Drawing Grids and then the Angle category. There you can set an angle for your grid to match the rotated view and then you will see you have X/Y showing the world coordinates and Screen X and Screen Y showing the coordinates as they would be if you had not rotated the grid.

But you would have to repeat this step for every time you rotate the view to a different angle, otherwise you will get incorrect coordinate readouts.

In Autocad it works exactly the same when you are in the model space, you will always need to align your coordinate system with the rotated view.

Edited by Art V

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Art V,

 

A useful tip, but we don't need to move the original coordinates. We would simply like to use the rotate view facility to work on source files without worrying about inadvertently breaking the references to every target file. We'd also like Vectorworks to reference reliably. These are two very basic functions that every user should demand. 

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