twonetis Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Modeling (or at mimimum, drawing) the rebar will get you a building permit around here as well, in case you decide to build within community expectations and financial institutions' guidelines. Quote Link to comment
Linicks Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Also, don't you mean McMansion? Aren't they pejoratively called "Macmansions" after the computer? I've always heard, and used it as a reference to the McDonalds fast food chain. Quote Link to comment
Linicks Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 I'm trying to use the extrude along path method, and would like to extrude along multiple paths at once. Is this possible, or do you have to manually extrude every line individually? Quote Link to comment
michaelk Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 One path, multiple profiles. hth michaelk Quote Link to comment
Linicks Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 One path, multiple profiles. hth michaelk Ok, I created what I consider a single path with the line tool, and two profiles with the circle tool. Unfortunately, I'm still having a hard time when trying to extrude along the path I created. I have tried to compose the lines etc, but haven't had any luck. When I test this method on a single segment of the footings it works fine. I'm not sure what step(s) I'm missing? Here is an image of my path, footings, and profile objects. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I think you will have to break the foundation up into segments and do them separately. Maybe three pieces. Make the "outline" one extrude, then do the El on the right and then the vertical and horizontal on the left as separate pieces. Remember it is extrude along PATH. How would you draw that shape without picking up a pencil or crossing over itself. If you can't then you can't extrude along it either. Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I've always heard, and used it as a reference to the McDonalds fast food chain. I've never before heard anyone categorize McDonald's as pretentious. Or use it as a metaphor for having more money than taste. But maybe I'm not keeping up with my memes. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I think it comes from the idea of building 6000 square foot mansions with 5 foot setbacks in cookie cutter subdivisions. Just like buying a BigMac and fries. Always the same. Quote Link to comment
John Meunier Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 My two sense on the Foundation / Footing I would create a separate layer for the foundations, (ie. Unit A-Mod-slab 1), I use walls to create the foundation and walls to create the footings so 16" walls for ftgs and 8" concrete walls for foundations. When detailing I place in rebar as an annotation. You could then use a spread sheet and perform a simple calculation for how much rebar you need based on / ln ft of the footing and foundation which are wall objects and have linear measurements which can be extrapolated. Quote Link to comment
Tom G. Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Hey Brudgers: I'm getting tired with the Mac-user bashing. Maybe after dinner I'll see the humor. Edited October 9, 2009 by tguy Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I think it comes from the idea of building 6000 square foot mansions with 5 foot setbacks in cookie cutter subdivisions. Just like buying a BigMac and fries. Always the same. I have trouble seeing how gates and deed restrictions fit neatly into the McDonald's analogy. Quote Link to comment
rDesign Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 McMansion - Wikipedia McMansion is a pejorative term used to describe a large house, particularly in the United States, that is rapidly constructed using modern labor-saving techniques in a manner reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Wikipedia the complete authority on everything. BTW, nice selective quoting. Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Here's a quick pic of an example file where the rebar is modeled using Extrude Along Path, a section is cut showing the location of the bar and a worksheet is created indicating the length of the bar. Quote Link to comment
Ozzie Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Now you are talking Quote Link to comment
djnelson75 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 As a someone who is demoing Vectorworks I found this post a little disturbing. Who would want to model rebar? Engineers thats who. Aren't their any engineers who use Vectorworks? There are many reasons for having the ability to model Reinforcing. Although I agree that modeling every piece of Rebar in a concrete building would be overkill, as most of the reinforcement is cover by typical details, but there are instance where specific details need to be generated in order to cover specific connections. In these areas and it would be beneficial to model rebar to check congestions and see how things are fitting together. Boundry zones is corewalls, corewall to drilled pier connections, and mat footings where you have large bars bends, are just a few that come to mind. I also find it odd that vectorworks has a simple beam calculator, the ability to show a pan head screw complete with threads, but no reinforcing. Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dear sirs, I respectfully submit that I don't believe we've ever made a claim to be a fully-featured engineering/analysis package. However, we are a very flexible 2D and 3D DESIGN package. We have provided CADD and 3D modeling functionality to all kinds of users including theater lighting design, industrial design, architecture, interior design, landscape architecture, custom furniture and casework designers and fabricators, mechanical designers, etc. Vectorworks is an open system allowing users the flexibility to take documentation, visualization, and modeling of their ideas pretty far. For more specific civil/structural engineering needs, please consider our Nemetschek family partner, Scia , a fully-functionally and highly-regarded analysis, modeling, and documentation suite. We've recently established an encouragingly strong exchange of model data (VW -> Scia) using IFC in v2010 SP2. VW structural engineering users can create highly detailed BIMs by leveraging 3D modeling tools with the "IFC Data..." command and export IFC models to applications more suited to complex FEA and detailing, if needed. Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Hi Jeffrey, SCIA looks very interesting. Too bad it's not cross-platform ;-( Also, I am curious what the price is. Anyone have any idea? Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You'll have to speak to Dan Monaghan, the North American rep for Scia, about cost. He can be reached at our offices, by phone or by email: Quote Link to comment
Ozzie Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The'family' issue here staggers me - I think about it and my head spins The big parent company behind all of this? Where is some discussion about how that works? Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 VW structural engineering users can create highly detailed BIMs by leveraging 3D modeling tools with the "IFC Data..." command and export IFC models to applications more suited to complex FEA and detailing, if needed. Is that the std line from the Politburo?...Its obvious to me you dont Know **** about what VW Structural engineering users want? And to even suggest creating a highly detailed model and then exporting to scia-FEA Via IFC for analysis is rubbish and a waste of resources.What is needed in VW are tools which enhanced approximate techniques for analysis,data checking and design optimization. Its generally too late when you have wasted everybodies time Modelling the whole **** up,and then someone else tells your clients "You got it wrong,Dude, you have been ArchiConned".You need to learn that clients dont want to pay for your short comings and expensive family support? HTH Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The'family' issue here staggers me - I think about it and my head spins The big parent company behind all of this? http://www.nemetschek.com/en/home/the_company.html http://www.nemetschek.com/en/home/the_company/brand_portfolio.html Nemetschek Vectorworks is a member of the Design Business Unit. Quote Link to comment
djnelson75 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) I think it's a matter of creating documentation and checking your design, which it seems Vectorworks looks to be good at. I did't expect Vectorworks to be a full blown FEM program. Most Analysis packages out there are very poor at creating documentation Plans, details, and sections for drawings, which is where Vectorworks should step in. Also despite what software developers think most analysis (at least in our office) in never done in just one package or is even done, Yes, by hand. So seeing how all these pieces fit together is where you would turn to Vectorworks. It just seems odd to me Vectoworks has a tool for being able to model every bolt in 3D in a building but there is no tool for putting in rebar. With the amount of views this thread has is should tell the people at Nemetschek that users of Vectorworks are interested in how to model rebar. Edited December 17, 2009 by djnelson75 Quote Link to comment
djnelson75 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Seems like if you want to call yourself a BIM model software you should provide the tools for model, schedule and quantify all the components of a building. There is more to a building than just smart doors and windows, but even Autodesk hasn't figured this out yet. Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dennis, I believe Wes Gardner answered this question about BIM capability and rebar earlier in the thread (post #131264). By using the Extrude Along Path command, he modeled the rebar and using the Database Worksheet functionality was able to schedule quantity/length. Quote Link to comment
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