C W Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Nemetschek NA Confirms Parasolid in Vectorworks 2009 NNA Confimrs Quote Link to comment
mcobbs Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Just out of curiousity... what does this mean for backwards compatibility? More specifically, if my company (the US portion) upgrades, will we be able to share both directions with our German partners, on an older version of VW??? (they don't upgrade as often as we do) I guess I could still save as older versions of VW, it would just have to convert the solids, right??? Quote Link to comment
M.CH Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Big reason for upgrading!!! Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Minimizing costs is the most dangerous way to achieve profits (and minimizing costs is not the same thing as controling them). Then according to this logic ... maximizing costs is the least dangerous way to achieve profits ( and maximizing costs is equivalent to controlling them ). Therefore, the greater the costs the higher the profits. Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Then according to this logic ... maximizing costs is the least dangerous way to achieve profits Just because yellow means caution, purple doesn't mean the torpedeos. The least dangerous way to achieve profits is to diversify. and maximizing costs is equivalent to controlling them ). Think like the Buddha not Aristotle. Quote Link to comment
M5d Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Just out of curiousity... what does this mean for backwards compatibility? I believe it means, given the environmental apocalypse just about upon us, that capitalism is neither backward nor forward compatible. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nemetschek NA Confirms Parasolid in Vectorworks 2009 NNA Confimrs So, is this what they have in the bag. Interesting that it talks about 'superior' 2D capabilities as well. Presumably it lays the foundation for all sorts ahead too... editable sections maybe? Quote Link to comment
Tobias Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 The '09 spec's are up on the web site http://www.nemetschek.net/ Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) EDIT: There are much small improvements that will sure be come in handy. The real big thing is of course the parasolid kernel. I think the office I work will not upgrade because the boss don't want to use 3D and all the other improvements are not used here. I'm only wanting to see the new spreadsheets. In some of the movies they doesn't look changed. And someone has said here onthese forums that it will be almost like exell. So i'm afraid that this will be a dissapointment because of high hopes like exell. Edited September 15, 2008 by DWorks Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Well there's our answer. It's Boolean operations that are apparently 12 times faster. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 it, can't view videos on iPhone! Quote Link to comment
RubenH Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I think the big thing is the parasolid kernel. To change the kernel it's not an esay task for any software developer. With this move Vw it's now a big player in modeling foundations. The big changes with objects and functionality will come in next versions. The new kernel promises 3d dimensions, editable sections, INTELIGENT GEOMETRY (a must needed for Vw parametrics objects) and many others functions asked in our wish lists. This will affect the foundation of Vw in a very positive way. I think it's important to support this update because there's no doubt NNA with this new change get compromised with the idea of make Vw a better application with real solutions for their users. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Well, I looked through them, and I must say that besides the Parasolid kernel, there aren't big things that have changed. Looks like they've done quite a bit of work improving usability and workflow to me. There're a few things in there such as batch exporting DWGs, importing files with drag and drop, PDF snapping, locked file alert, customisable roof geometry for massing models, etc. that will be the seller in our office. Well that and whether or not the problems with circular referencing are fixed. (and the little matter of tightened budgets!) Quote Link to comment
CS1 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Does anybody know if we will be able to dash extrusions or other 3D objects? Quote Link to comment
M5d Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) I agree, looks like there are some useful additions and improvements on top of Parasolids but; I don't like this statement from the Parasolids Advantage: "Design efficiencies inherent in the Parasolid kernel, as well as its sophisticated multiprocessor techniques (currently for Windows only), makes Vectorworks 2009 the application of choice for any size project." I hope this doesn't mean performance on the mac is going to languish because of a third party that doesn?t view the mac platform as a priority. It would be nice if we could get some clarification on this statement. Will VW 2009 actually be slower on multiprocessor macs until this is corrected? How will render times be affected by this given that they are currently multiprocessor aware? Is there a timeline available for when multiprocessor support will come to the mac? I'm assuming that these speed improvements only apply to windows for now. Vectorworks 2009 Benchmark Scores What the integration of Parasolid means in your real-world application: ? Vectorworks 2009 is up to 12x faster for Boolean operations, including surface addition, subtraction, and intersection ? 3D modeling operations are 4-5x faster in Vectorworks 2009 ? Viewport renderings are 2-4x faster in Vectorworks 2009 Edited September 15, 2008 by M5d Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 There are a few things that look to me as if they will make the normal workflow easier and better: - the Snap Loupe (very nifty). - the better Smart Cursor Cues (easier and more positive). - gray other objects whilst editing Groups and Symbols (a longstanding wish fulfilled). - proper hole forming in walls (the end of the edge banding problem). - easier and better door and window object insertion into walls. Quote Link to comment
LMS Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) I know those new wood screws included in VWA are going to improve our speed on final documents by at least a factor of 10! Edited September 15, 2008 by LMS Quote Link to comment
Tobias Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Wow, I to would be curious about that "currently for windows only" statement. I'd like to know Nemetschek's specific time line on bringing the mac platform in line with the PC before I upgrade..... And what exactly differs? Quote Link to comment
RubenH Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) Does Vw 2009 for Mac supports 64bit technology? How about this and the implementation on Vw? http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaahyx.htm http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaahyw.htm Edited September 15, 2008 by Mr. Gog Quote Link to comment
Damon Design Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 That 4GB RAM requirement (recommendation?) with RW is up there a bit. My shiny, brand new and (I thought) pretty powerful machine is looking like a 98 lb weakling way too soon. I can squeeze in more RAM but jeeze -you'd think we need darn near super computers to run this stuff. Still, just upgraded to VW 08 to take advantage of the free upgrade to 09 and it all looks pretty cool to me. Quote Link to comment
MWA Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I recently upgraded my machine to 4gb ram.....but soon found out win xp only recognizes 3.5gb of it. But wow, 4gb of ram for renderworks.......so much for multitasking with other, high ram usage design programs? Looks like I should wait to upgrade my laptop until there is a 6gb ram machine available Quote Link to comment
Guest clb Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I think the big thing is the parasolid kernel. Positively correct. But still cautious of VW. That kernel can do much more than they currently exploit it for. But it was a big change and one that had to be taken with caution in implementing. Still, having a powerfull kernel and no 3D dimensioning, no live sections as you "pull" the section line ? Forget the famous VW marketing " new gadgets" that we all love to fall for - is it really, really worth it to upgrade at the VW cost factor (double than Archi) for one single big move but still with limited usage of a powerfull kernel ? Think slow and hard not to fall in the VW 2008 trap again. As Christiaan said - budgets are limited. Will wait for a VW 2010 and see if VW will have more confidence in exploiting the real potential with "real" tools in that kernel. I believe it will still be a good base CAD as all-rounder. I just can not see a way of supporting VW 2009 after the VW 2008 fiasco (do not want gadgets - want tools) with a powerfull kernel but with limited exploitation of it. And was it tested to it's full extent to minimize bugs ? Why not as other's make it an open testing ground before final release to smooth out the opertaional status and get pre - evaluation of shortcomings/improvements ? But - well done VW. Quote Link to comment
Chris D Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 - Edit Symbols in context - Improved Resource Browser - UK Wall Styles Santa's brought a few of my wishes early! The new Visibility Tool sounds great (sounds like it should have been there all along....) Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 - Floors that can have different textures applied to their top surface, bottom surface and side surfaces. - Beam objects that can be flat or pitched, and can use a custom profile. - Column and pilaster objects that model both the architectural or structural components or both. The structural component can also be a custom profile. Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I suspect Mac multi-core support will be dependent on Snow-Leopard. I find it difficult to be excited about Parasolid. It's not the technology, it's the implimentation that matters to me. Parasolid offers some hope, and it has been used to address a few of the more minor wall limitations, but there's still some heavy lifting remaining. Quote Link to comment
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