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How do you make top roof component overhang the fascia?

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Say you have a multi-component roof object, the top component being the finish, say roof tiles. Then you add a fascia board. How do you then show the roof tiles overhanging fascia? Or do we need to use multiple roof objects to do this?

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37 minutes ago, Christiaan said:

two separate controls

 

Yes, I think it would be good if you could have handles for the roof process. WYSIWYG is and always has been my preferred option if available.

 

Too much of VW seems to end up with changing something in an OIP and seeing what change/outcome that gave you. (OK - Perhaps I should read the manual)

 

Unfortunately (and not wanting to be too discourteous) there sometimes seems a disconnect between the boffins and the end users as to what we really want, day to day, in our own 'commercial bubbles'.

 

Some of that is reflected in the way VW has developed into a 'tool for everyone'. Jack of all trades.............?

 

Still beats ACAD though!!

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46 minutes ago, Christiaan said:

Here's the bug report I submitted.

 

 

Nailed it.

 

Now have energy drink and move on xD

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Hmm, something I hadn't noticed until I tried to merge the upper part of my roof (tiles and tile battens) into one Roof Style with the rest of roof (insulation, truss, etc), is that offsetting the edge by Roof Axis Line offsets both the eaves and the ridge!

 

So it looks to me like there's no avoiding having multiple Roof Styles into order to overhang my roof tiles at the eaves.

 

Maybe we should simply be asking for a eaves-only offset setting...

 

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On 07/12/2017 at 11:37 AM, Christiaan said:

offsets both the eaves and the ridge!

 

I think we've discovered the 'stair tool' of the pitched roof. Seriously - this seems to be another VW tool that's a Jack of all.....Master of..... - well you fill in your own description here.

 

As I said earlier in this thread, 

 

On 04/12/2017 at 1:59 PM, Gadzooks said:

Too much of VW seems to end up with changing something in an OIP and seeing what change/outcome that gave you

 

This isn't a very user-friendly way of creating and supporting software. Although I can see it keeps VW 'experts' in pocket change.

 

Trying to avoid a major rant..lets move on to the problem in hand......

 

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Thanks for your test file Christiaan (send via PM.)

 

You're right, this isn't 'behaving' (as we expected from some considerable time 'invested' earlier)

 

Looking at the simple roof surface you've provided, the first thing I see different from our earlier examples is you've chosen to have Eave Cut as Double.

 

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If you change to Vertical, the top component is 'fixed' (well, its now as you expected to see - both gable and edge condition).

 

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Conclusion: This is a BUG or WAD.

 

Frankly, if a VW boffin wants to stick their head above the parapet and declare WAD then I'm a (***************), as its not WA (my) D.

 

This is the challenge then VW - what's the (corporate) response?. And please don't come back with "yes, theres bugs (we thought you'd not notice if we kept silent)"

 

 

 

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Ah yes, brilliant, well spotted! I want a double eave setting + the eave only overhanging. I'll add this to my bug report. I'll eat my hat if this is WAD.

 

I added this comment to my bug report:

 

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Here's another undesirable behaviour spotted by Gadzooks on the forum:

 

1. Let's say I want to have a Double Eaves Cut instead of a Vertical cut.
2. If I take the roof at step 7 in the attached test file and change the Eaves Cut to Double
3. Then set the Vertical dimension of the cut to, say, 45 mm
4. You'll see that the top component now overhangs not just the eaves, but the sides and ridge as well.

 

This is unwanted behaviour. I want the sides and ridge to remain where they were when I use a Double Eaves Cut setting.

 

 

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Afternoon Guys. This is such a long post I'm not convinced I am answering a question or adding to it.! Basically using the create roof tool you can have 2 (or more layers) and as pointed out you can apply a thin tile layer on top to stick out form the eaves. I got quite excited about this (saving lots of time) until I realised if you ungroup the roof the "+tile protrusion" sticks out on all sides (see below). I understand why it would do this in principle., and reported it as a bug(or at least ask for a work-around) via Vectorworks UK about 6 months ago fyi . Not heard anything back yet.... :- ( 

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On 11/12/2017 at 5:54 PM, David S said:

via Vectorworks UK about 6 months ago fyi . Not heard anything back yet....

 

Well, poor show from VW UK. Thought the new 'regime' was supposed to help create/nurture/extend a better level of support and inclusivity to the 'family' that is VW in the UK.

 

Feeling included David?

 

Welome to this thread David, as you have pointed out, this is already a long haul.

 

Thanks for letting us know the details  - It seems your query followed the same path and resulted in similar frustration - first when you had to try and work-around what seemed to be a BUG and second, when you received nothing back from VW UK.

 

As I said to @Alan Woodwell, you need to bring sandwiches for this one. @Christiaanwill be round shortly with some cake. 

 

And we have other traffic in the queue - stairs, windows..........................................................

 

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10 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

 

Well, poor show from VW UK. Thought the new 'regime' was supposed to help create/nurture/extend a better level of support and inclusivity to the 'family' that is VW in the UK.

 

Feeling

10 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

 

Well, poor show from VW UK. Thought the new 'regime' was supposed to help create/nurture/extend a better level of support and inclusivity to the 'family' that is VW in the UK.

 

Feeling included David?

 

Welome to this thread David, as you have pointed out, this is already a long haul.

 

Thanks for letting us know the details  - It seems your query followed the same path and resulted in similar frustration - first when you had to try and work-around what seemed to be a BUG and second, when you received nothing back from VW UK.

 

As I said to @Alan Woodwell, you need to bring sandwiches for this one. @Christiaanwill be round shortly with some cake. 

 

And we have other traffic in the queue - stairs, windows..........................................................

 

10 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

 

Well, poor show from VW UK. Thought the new 'regime' was supposed to help create/nurture/extend a better level of support and inclusivity to the 'family' that is VW in the UK.

 

Feeling included David?

 

Welome to this thread David, as you have pointed out, this is already a long haul.

 

Thanks for letting us know the details  - It seems your query followed the same path and resulted in similar frustration - first when you had to try and work-around what seemed to be a BUG and second, when you received nothing back from VW UK.

 

As I said to @Alan Woodwell, you need to bring sandwiches for this one. @Christiaanwill be round shortly with some cake. 

 

And we have other traffic in the queue - stairs, windows..........................................................

 

10 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

 

Well, poor show from VW UK. Thought the new 'regime' was supposed to help create/nurture/extend a better level of support and inclusivity to the 'family' that is VW in the UK.

 

Feeling included David?

 

Welome to this thread David, as you have pointed out, this is already a long haul.

 

Thanks for letting us know the details  - It seems your query followed the same path and resulted in similar frustration - first when you had to try and work-around what seemed to be a BUG and second, when you received nothing back from VW UK.

 

As I said to @Alan Woodwell, you need to bring sandwiches for this one. @Christiaanwill be round shortly with some cake. 

 

And we have other traffic in the queue - stairs, windows..........................................................

 

David?

 

Welome to this thread David, as you have pointed out, this is already a long haul.

 

Thanks for letting us know the details  - It seems your query followed the same path and resulted in similar frustration - first when you had to try and work-around what seemed to be a BUG and second, when you received nothing back from VW UK.

 

As I said to @Alan Woodwell, you need to bring sandwiches for this one. @Christiaanwill be round shortly with some cake. 

 

And we have other traffic in the queue - stairs, windows..........................................................

How do di reply?

11 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

 

Well, poor show from VW UK. Thought the new 'regime' was supposed to help create/nurture/extend a better level of support and inclusivity to the 'family' that is VW in the UK.

 

Feeling included David?

 

Welome to this thread David, as you have pointed out, this is already a long haul.

 

Thanks for letting us know the details  - It seems your query followed the same path and resulted in similar frustration - first when you had to try and work-around what seemed to be a BUG and second, when you received nothing back from VW UK.

 

As I said to @Alan Woodwell, you need to bring sandwiches for this one. @Christiaanwill be round shortly with some cake. 

 

And we have other traffic in the queue - stairs, windows..........................................................

 

10 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

 

Afternoon Guys. This is such a long post I'm not convinced I am answering a question or adding to it.! Basically using the create roof tool you can have 2 (or more layers) and as pointed out you can apply a thin tile layer on top to stick out form the eaves. I got quite excited about this (saving lots of time) until I realised if you ungroup the roof the "+tile protrusion" sticks out on all sides (see below). I understand why it would do this in principle., and reported it as a bug(or at least ask for a work-around) via Vectorworks UK about 6 months ago fyi . Not heard anything back yet.... :- ( 

 

 

 

@Gadzooks Is this how I reply? I accept (I think) we use the tool to the very limits of its capability and we are pushing the barriers all the time. I know all about the stairs the roof tool etc, the many odd bugs. You'd need a phd in mechanical engineering to make the stair tool functional! What I'm also frustrated also about is that we are now using live viewports and attempting to adopt our (complex) working drawings into the process using the various components - in principle which should appear correctly in the viewports in plan and elevation - but they don't. This would save us a great deal of time, but we have had to abandon this development because it doesn't work.  I don't mind being a pioneer but can't run a business in the hope of something functioning properly at some time in the future! 

 

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3 hours ago, David S said:

Is this how I reply?

 

Well - not quite, but I think you finally got out of the 'quote bag' you were trapped inO.o.

 

3 hours ago, David S said:

should appear correctly in the viewports in plan and elevation - but they don't.

and..

3 hours ago, David S said:

we have had to abandon this development because it doesn't work

It looks from your reply that you are almost giving up on VW. Don't let the operational quirks put you off - they're irritating to the 'n' agree sometimes, but ACAD will 'amaze' you as well.

3 hours ago, David S said:

I don't mind being a pioneer but can't run a business in the hope of something functioning properly at some time in the future!

Negatively

Nor should you.

This isn't 'give it a try' ware we bought into. For the licence we deserve better product. (Ahh..... takes you back to Microsoft doesn't it)

 

Positively - If you need help with stuff and (probably more importantly) if you can take the time (ok, have the time!!) to explain whats not working as you would want, and you maybe have a test file (usually a bonus) you can post, someone will be bound to help from the forum.

 

Try it out.......we're all learning off each other.B|

 

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Edit - Sorry, meant to point out , as you appear to be on 2016, maybe some of the 'fixes' you need are in 2017, 2018 - worth looking to see if the release notes say this (or you could ask VW UK!!)

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@Gadzooks Thanks for this! No SS customer on 2018 now. I have got a lot of great help support from the forum. Stuff I had no idea about!  All the stuff I want to work is largely covered by the issues reported to VW already by us and other VW users. It's interesting. I think over 75% of UK Architects still do everything in 2d (crazy!) so I think only a relatively small % of users (and that includes other designers etc who benefit from 3d Renderworks etc. I think @Christiaan touched on a few pain points here: I'd love to get to the stage where all our work including working details were in 3d and could be updated but VW are not there yet. And I've no idea when that will happen? All hail the simple stair tool! (Black Humour!)

  

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