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Can anybody help? I'm using the Railing/Fence tool on a site model in '3D Line Mode'. But 9 times out of 10 the Railing/Fence object is being created at Z=0, not on the surface of the site model. The cursor snaps to the contours fine but the fence when it's created is horizontal on the ground plane + the 'Height Point 1' + 'Height Point 2' parameters in the O.I.P. are both 0.

 

The one exception to this behaviour is ONE particular saved Railing/Fence symbol I have which WILL create on the site model but ALL my other symbols + all the VW ones in the library I've tried won't.

 

I was using VW2020 + even upgraded to VW2021 in the hope it was a bug but the behaviour's exactly the same in 2021. I've seen a couple of posts about this happening to other people but no real info on why or what can be done about it...

 

Any ideas? @Matt Panzer @jeff prince? Many thanks. I've spent several days getting to know the tool + really like it so bit of a bummer to right at the end come up against this...

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I just tried this (in VW2021), on one of my existing models. Hadn't tried directly drawing fences in 3d before (I have tended to draw them in plan view then manually adjust Z values).

 

When I tried with a couple of my already set up custom fence/railings, it seemed to work fine.

 

However - if I then select one of the standard types from the VW libraries ("fence flat horz metric") I get the same result as @Tom W. I can snap to the contours but it draws it at z=0 on the ground plane.

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Thank you @Matt Panzer so what was the problem as you saw it exactly? For me the tool is behaving completely erratically. Some fences will draw at the correct elevations + some won't, with no discernible pattern why. In order to get a certain fence to display correctly I first have to draw it using a different fence - one of the ones which is behaving - then change it afterwards in the settings to the one I actually want.

 

Having got a fence to behave in this way I can then use Create Similar Object to draw more of the same fence at the correct elevations.

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I am also getting wierd things with the symbol selection in the General pane of the Railing/Fence Settings. The preview is meant to be showing right iso + it actually shows front. I choose back + it shows left iso. etc...

 

This is in VW2021. In VW2020 it's even worse!:

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Thanks for looking at it

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4 minutes ago, Tom W. said:

Thank you @Matt Panzer so what was the problem as you saw it exactly? For me the tool is behaving completely erratically. Some fences will draw at the correct elevations + some won't, with no discernible pattern why. In order to get a certain fence to display correctly I first have to draw it using a different fence - one of the ones which is behaving - then change it afterwards in the settings to the one I actually want.

 

Having got a fence to behave in this way I can then use Create Similar Object to draw more of the same fence at the correct elevations.

875363923_Screenshot2021-04-19at17_46_06.thumb.png.b712a2f26bde74cc163edf613863b182.png

 

I am also getting wierd things with the symbol selection in the General pane of the Railing/Fence Settings. The preview is meant to be showing right iso + it actually shows front. I choose back + it shows left iso. etc...

 

This is in VW2021. In VW2020 it's even worse!:

362864203_Screenshot2021-04-19at17_52_09.thumb.png.fe5adc850a6c627bb3f8ef7f2bf7903c.png

 

Thanks for looking at it

 

The problem I'm seeing is that the tool works correctly when I first use it during a Vectorworks session until I select a configuration from the resource popup in the tool mode bar.  Once I do that, the object is always on the design layer plane.  Restarting Vectorworks seems to fix the issue until I select another configuration from the resource popup.

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On 4/19/2021 at 7:03 PM, Matt Panzer said:

 

The problem I'm seeing is that the tool works correctly when I first use it during a Vectorworks session until I select a configuration from the resource popup in the tool mode bar.  Once I do that, the object is always on the design layer plane.  Restarting Vectorworks seems to fix the issue until I select another configuration from the resource popup.


Yes, I have also been experiencing this issue...with some similar issues, though I was sometimes able to select other fence symbols and have them align properly....but sometimes not. Even from restart, if I select a particular symbol before I start drawing it seems to not draw at the correct z height.

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It's strange because I've been using the Railing/Fence tool a lot on a current project + it's been working fine in 3D on this occasion... 

It's quite a slow process though. Draw 2D line in Top/Plan; convert to 3D Poly + send to surface of site model; draw 3D fence along the 3D Poly; delete 3D Poly.

Where the topography requires it you have to draw the fence in different sections, stopping + starting at each change in slope, setting the new section to not start with a post + for the frame to extend beyond the first post in order to create a continuous run of fencing. Be much better if VW would let me just click click click at each change in slope + have the fence be a single object rather than separate sections.

Perhaps I'm missing something + there's a more streamlined way I could be doing this.

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14 minutes ago, Tom W. said:

Be much better if VW would let me just click click click at each change in slope + have the fence be a single object rather than separate sections.

 

 

Agree here. I am hoping something is in the works for this, as it is indeed a bit of a cumbersome and glitchy process at the moment.

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And in my case my fence is made up of two different fences - one just for the posts + another for the rails + pickets, in order to have it resemble something you'd see in the real world - so I'm having to do everything twice! Looks great in the end but a strange state of affairs when I can draw the houses more quickly than the time it takes to draw the fences around the gardens... 😄

Add to this the fact I've had to create a separate hybrid symbol for the gates...

And if anything needs to change position I'm essentially back to square one... 😪

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On 7/2/2021 at 1:35 PM, bob cleaver said:

@Matt Panzer Your creativity and knowledge of VW is needed to assist with a workflow using the fence tool -

1. reduce the current multiple fence symbols to allow for post and stringer/panel offsets

2. smooth the layout in 3D 

3. having a gate feature 

 

Hi Bob,

Unfortunately, I don't have any other tricks from the ones being discussed here.

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