McF Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Why did VW change the Arc Leader Type for Callouts in VW 2010? Specifically, I detest now having to assign a radius each time drop in a callout; the resulting callout now looks like a scythe, and I now waste a ton of time getting it to look 'proper'. I miss VW 2009's auto radius. Rather, there was no need to enter a radius (and physically couldn't), because of the built-in algorithm. Where did my seamless callouts go (where the arc start was constrained to be tangent to the shoulder)? Am I missing something? A different tool? Was the feature dropped because it involved too many calculations and slowed down performance? Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Sean, There were many requests for the ability to specify an arc leader radius. Some people apparently like the scythe look. The auto-radius behavior should work, if the arc radius is set to 0 (zero). However, this appears to be broken (SP2). I will file a bug immediately. Feel free to do the same to boost the priority. Quote Link to comment
McF Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Victory for the scythe-look users! Thanks for the quick response! I've submitted a bug report per your suggestion. Edited January 5, 2010 by McF Quote Link to comment
arqui_barr Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Mark me as one against the scythe-look. Who really needs to know the radius of the arc leaders or have uniform arc leader radii? I spend double the time editing my arc leaders to look right than I did before. This tool was great in VW2009 when it was simple and graphically intuitive. Quote Link to comment
Kool Aid Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 That look helps to hammer in the locations? Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Thank you for fixing this issue in 2010 SP3! There are many files from previous versions that I did the batch conversion?all their callout arc leaders are messed up. Is there anyway to restore them without changing every single one of them manually in each file? Thanks Quote Link to comment
_c_ Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Hi, it might be late for you, but you can download here a file where you see a worksheet. This worksheet permits you to batch edit the faulty Callouts. * Import this worksheet in all your files containing callouts converted from previous versions. * Recalculate the worksheet. * Find the cells in the worksheet showing a yellow background, these are all values related to the parameter 'Leader Radius" in your callouts. Edit any value where you see a huge number. Set something realistic. You can experiment. In this fashion you can fix all converted callouts file-wide. PS If you see a "Line Length" of zero, you can edit that as well. It shouldn't be zero. orso Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Hi, Orso: I used the worksheet you posted here. It works great for design layers. I couldn't get it to recognize the callouts in the viewports. Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment
_c_ Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 You can add "& INVIEWPORT" to the search criteria of your database. Yoginathaswami, the power of VW resides in Worksheets and criteria, the greatest power. You can use them as "console" for parametric objects. When you have many objects in a project, worksheets are a fantastic batch-editing tool. orso Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Thank you so much Orso! I will apply the changes in the criteria. I rarely use the worksheets. You have inspired to learn more about it! Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Aloha, Jeffrey: It appears like this bug got reintroduced in VW2011! With the arc radius is set to zero, I am still getting the scythe look... Can you please confirm? I'll file a bug... Quote Link to comment
willofmaine Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Wow, that is pretty bad. I like the way it works in 2008, tangent to the shoulder as noted above. I'll file a bug too! Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Yoginathaswami, Yes, looks like a bug/regression. Please file as soon as you can. Thanks for the close look. Quote Link to comment
arqui_barr Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Please make it work like it did in VW 2008. Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Aloha, Jeffrey: VW2011 SP 1 didn't fix this bug... Quote Link to comment
arqui_barr Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 @Yoginathaswami That is exactly what I was just thinking. How hard can this be to fix. The tool is barely functional as it stands now, and this in just one basic tool that is needed for documentation. Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Aloha, Martin: I got a bit frustrated ended using the line option instead of the arc. I am no programmer hence don't know what is their predicament to "re-fix" this problem that got reintroduced, but can't simply spent my time trying to get it right. It is unfortunate that I can't use this simple tool that I love! Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 In Vw 2009 and earlier the arc remained tangential to the shoulder because the arc radius was determined automatically. In Vw 2010 a user defined Leader Radius parameter was introduced and this is what screws up the behaviour. The Callout tool needs to revert to its earlier version behaviour. Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Then post the bug. While I have notified the engineer about the concerns of this list, there needs to be some input and documentation from your end, too. This is a regression, if this is the case. The user-defined radius option was implemented because it was a oft-requested feature, at the time. The implementation was suppose to give users the flexibility of having BOTH options by using entering either a radius value, as desired, or entering "0" (zero) to get the original tangent arc behavior. We had this working. If this is not working, then it is a bug and a regression, at that. Quote Link to comment
rDesign Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 The user-defined radius option was implemented because it was a oft-requested feature, at the time. This is why enabling user polls for the entire 'Wish List Requests' forum would be a helpful change. Then NV could see just what percentage of users want something to change or stay the same. Take a look at any of the ArchiCAD forums ArchiCAD-Talk - Annotation Wishes - they have a user poll attached to every request item. Regards, Tim Quote Link to comment
scottfdavis Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 For the record I think the Bezier leader is the absolute worst of all the options as far as functionality goes. It is basically like using a polyline as your leader right? Except the Polyline Tool is so easy to use and manipulate and creates beautiful smooth curves. The bezier leader option on the other hand starts as some crazy shape and takes a lot of work to manipulate into smooth curves. I know this may not be a priority because few offices use curved leader lines for their annotations but coming from an office that does we are basically forced to not use the Callout Tool at all because we either get really graphically unpleasing leader lines or we waste drawing time trying to manipulate them into "acceptable" curves--curves that can be achieved with the Polyline Tool on the first try every time. Could we maybe see the Bezier leader function a little more like the Polyline Tool in the future, the control handles and the way the line is manipulated are far superior with the Polyline Tool. Quote Link to comment
arqui_barr Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Bug fixed in VW2011 SP2. Thanks, Quote Link to comment
NoemieHansen Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) This was the closest thread I could find to my problem with the arc callout tool... I agree that the custom radius is annoying. But even worse for me now that our office has switched to 2012 is that the leader just disappears when in line with the shoulder. I get an arc as long as the angle is anything but horizontal, but once I move it to horisontal, it's gone (shoulder stays). The only way around this I have found is to switch it to line instead of arc. Is anybody else having this problem? Or am I doing something wrong? Noemie Edited April 4, 2012 by NoemieHansen Quote Link to comment
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