eric.rktek Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Two suggestions for minor improvements to a few Architect tools. When using the shower PIO, I rarely need a side shown on all sides. Typically I only need a ledge on one of the sides that you enter in on. The other sides are typically walls. It would be great if the tool could be slightly modified to have the option for selecting which sides are to be shown. The second suggestion is regarding the bipart doors. It would be really, really nice if the astragal came up as 0" as the default, or providing a way to allow users to make 0" the default. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
Damon Design Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I wholeheartedly agree about the astragal default. I am rarely spec'ing out french doors or other types of double doors with a post down the middle. Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 In my 30 years in architecture I have never seen a set of double doors with a post down the middle anywhere I have lived or travelled in. (Australia, Asia and Europe.) Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 In my 30 years in architecture I have never seen a set of double doors with a post down the middle anywhere I have lived or travelled in. (Australia, Asia and Europe.) You can add NZ, UK and the Middle East to that list. Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 If the exception proves the rule, then the tin shack in Haiti requires a post to support the 2x4 lintel above the double cardboard doors ; ) Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Islandmon, I don't doubt that you use them in the USA. The point I was trying to make (badly as it turned out) was that if the most common situation is no astragal then this should be the default state rather than vice versa. Quote Link to comment
ionw Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 It is one of the first parameters (in the scripts area) I change on every new door PIO. We do not use bi-parts with astragals in our practice. If this change was made at the programming level, it would save me a little time.... and time is always appreciated! :-) Quote Link to comment
Henry Finch Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 An obvious misunderstanding: The astragal is not a post in the middle. It is for exterior double doors in residential construction in US and is applied to the non active door and opens with that door. The inactive door has hardware that pins it to the floor and ceiling so it is rigid to receive the active door. It can be opened by unpinning it. The purpose of the astragal is to give a rabbet to receive the active door and be able to seal it (weatherstrip). It is a standard US detail. Quote Link to comment
michael john williams Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Sometimes we have a post in the middle but the doors are seperate and we treat it as such and draw it as a wall and the doors are inserted in wall anyway - works pretty good. Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 In Australia we rebate the two door meeting stiles so that they form an orthoganal 'Z' shape in plan view. Possible that we get away with this because we don't have the extremes of cold that you do. Perhaps the misunderstanding comes from the astragal looking as if it is part of the frame in Top/Plan View, and remaining with the frame in a 3D view when the doors are shown in the open position. Quote Link to comment
ionw Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Henry, I think what people are complaining about?and why I change the parameters so the astragal does not show up?is that the astragal is not shown attached to the door leaf, it is shown as a separate member that stays in place regardless of the position of the door Leafs (leaves?), appearing more like a mullion than the astragal you are describing. Of course if I had read all of Mike's reply before typing I would have been able to say much less, and second his second paragraph... Quote Link to comment
ff1 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 First open a blank (new) document, then select the door tool. Open the door tool preferences, and select bi-parting door, and Parts. Now set the astragal sizes to 0 (zero). While you're at it set all the other parts to the sizes you prefer. Do the same exercise for the other door types, until you have the defaults set just as you prefer them to be. Now save the (still blank) drawing as a Template, and when you use it in future there will be no astragals in the bi-parting doors. If you already have templates made - say for different page sizes, or with title blocks - simply open the existing template, make your adjustments to the door preferences, and Save as Template use the same name (replacing the original). It's worth doing a similar exercise for windows also, particularly if you work in metric units, because most of the VW "standard" part sizes are based on imperial. Quote Link to comment
acepernich Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I suppose it all depends on the type of work you do. I do mostly school work (US) and almost all of our double doors have a removable mullion for latching rim exit devices (panic bars). Almost never use surface bolts (accessibility & maintenence issues). Being able to set a default would be nice, tho'. Quote Link to comment
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