Symbol Creation in VW2024 Update 3.1

[Kevin McAllister]

Hello,

 

I've recently started using VW2024 for my active projects. There seems to be something wrong with symbol creation that doing my brain in. Try this -

 

- create a 3d object like an extrude located away from the origin.

- make it into a symbol using Plan Projection Centre as the Insertion Point.

- Now look at the symbol's position in the OIP. All the ones I create show the symbol at 0,0,0.

 

The symbol does not have the Plan Projection Centre of the 3d object as its Insertion Point. Instead it is using the origin point as its Insertion Point. See screen shots below.

 

I create symbols this way all the time and the first few times it happened I got very confused because symbols weren't inserting as expected. This has to be a bug.

 

Can someone else try this and confirm the behaviour I'm seeing?

 

Kevin

 

 

Test Symbol.vwx

[Tom W.]

This is normal behaviour. Plan Projection Centre or 3D Object Centre align the insertion point with the centre of the object. If you want the insertion point off-centre you need to choose Next Mouse Click.

 

Oops I have reread your post...

Edited January 31, 2024 by Tom W.

[markdd]

You are right Kevin. I noticed this change/bug the other day but thought I had done something stupid.

 

Will you file a bug report?

[Pat Stanford]

@Tom W.

 The behavior you describe is what Kevin is expecting but not what he is seeing.

 

I am not seeing that anomalous result in VW2024 Update 3.1.

 

@Kevin McAllister Have you tried restarting your computer and VW?

 

[Tom W.]

No I realised as soon as I posted. I tried in VW2024 + am seeing the same as @Kevin McAllister. Yet another VW2024 bug...

[Pat Stanford]

Like I said, I just tried in Update 3.1 and I am not seeing the problem.  I wonder what is different in our installs.

 

When I create a symbol and tell it to leave the instance in place the symbol creates with the origin at the center of the object and the OIP showing the correct distance from the origin.

[Kevin McAllister]

1 minute ago, Pat Stanford said:

Like I said, I just tried in Update 3.1 and I am not seeing the problem.  I wonder what is different in our installs.

 

When I create a symbol and tell it to leave the instance in place the symbol creates with the origin at the center of the object and the OIP showing the correct distance from the origin.

 

Pat, are you on a Mac or PC? Are you testing with a 2d object or 3d object? 2d objects seem to work as expected.

 

The others who are confirming my result are on Macs.

 

Kevin

[Pat Stanford]

MacBook Pro, M3, OS14.2.1. Working with 2D objects only.

 

I just tried with a 3D object and a hybrid (Extruded Octagon with 2D Octagon) and both of them worked exactly as I expected.

 

🤷‍♂️

[Kevin McAllister]

9 minutes ago, Pat Stanford said:

MacBook Pro, M3, OS14.2.1. Working with 2D objects only.

 

I just tried with a 3D object and a hybrid (Extruded Octagon with 2D Octagon) and both of them worked exactly as I expected.

 

🤷‍♂️

 

Interesting. Thanks for testing this. You're starting with an object that's not at centre?

KM

[Kevin McAllister]

Update - Confirmed by Tech Support and filed as a bug - VB-201952

 

Kevin

 

 

Edited February 1, 2024 by Kevin McAllister
Added bug number

[Pat Stanford]

1 hour ago, Kevin McAllister said:

You're starting with an object that's not at centre?

Correct. They are close to center (20-30' at 1:48 (1/4") scale.

[rDesign]

I just followed Kevin's instructions from his original post.

 

1) When I created it as a 2d/3d hybrid symbol, it worked correctly as expected.

2) But when I created a symbol that was just a 3d extrude, it shows 0,0,0 on the OIP - same as Kevin's incorrect result. And when I move that symbol of the 3d extrude around, the coordinates on the OIP are incorrect.

 

I'm also on MacOS running Vw2024 SP3.1.

Edited February 1, 2024 by rDesign

[Pat Stanford]

Even weirder,  earlier today I converted a 3D extrude to a symbol to the lower right of the origin and it worked correctly.

 

After @rDesigns post I tried it again, but to the upper left of the origin and got the symbol created with the origin at 0,0 like everyone else.  I then did another one to the lower right and still got a 0,0 origin.

 

This is in the same file.  Currently is has 2 NURBs curves and 7 symbols used in testing this.

 

Very strange.