Andrew Davies Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Hello Am I right in saying that rendering time is also affected by the resolution of the monitor you are using? If so, would that mean that if I bought a 5K display, rendering times would increase dramatically due to the high DPI? or have I misunderstood?! Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) If you render in drawing viewport in RW mode and it has a higher resolution it will take longer. Like in Viewports with higher DPI setting most render modes will need more time when rendering more pixels. Also 3D OpenGL should get a bit slower. But there are also tasks in rendering which are resolution independent so it doesn't mean a 1:1 slow down. Also Retina iMacs aren't slower than their predecessors. Edited January 10, 2017 by zoomer 1 Quote Link to comment
rDesign Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 @Andrew Davies- here is a link to a VwKB article on Renderworks Hardware Dependencies which may offer some insight. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 ^ "We also strongly recommend again using Intel branded integrated cards, whether they share system memory or have their own discrete VRAM (video memory)." ??? I think there is missing a "do not" ? @JimW Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted January 10, 2017 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 minute ago, zoomer said: ^ "We also strongly recommend again using Intel branded integrated cards, whether they share system memory or have their own discrete VRAM (video memory)." ??? I think there is missing a "do not" ? @JimW "against" fixed. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted January 10, 2017 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Andrew Davies said: Hello Am I right in saying that rendering time is also affected by the resolution of the monitor you are using? If so, would that mean that if I bought a 5K display, rendering times would increase dramatically due to the high DPI? or have I misunderstood?! Yes, if you render right on the design layer, a higher resolution monitor will take longer to render since there are more pixels to be handled. Renderings on sheet layers within viewports as mentioned above will not be affected by screen resolution, only the DPI setting of the sheet layer and the size of the viewport relative to the page. 1 Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 For a moment I thought I had overwritten something Quote Link to comment
Andrew Davies Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the clarification! That makes sense. I only render in viewports so should be ok. Am sure there is loads written about this already, so without wanting to open a can of worms, how does the GPU stack up on the new MacBook Pro? Am writing this post on one now - it has been fine with VW so far. Edited January 10, 2017 by Andrew Davies Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted January 10, 2017 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 10, 2017 The 15" models with the dedicated AMD Radeon Pro 450/455 seems to be doing well. I had initially been irritated that they went with a custom card but they were just the unveiling of that particular Radeon model, theyre basically the FireGL/Fire Pro series so while expensive, they perform well. I have had many users with the 13" models report slowness but I have not had first hand experience with one, we only have the 15" Touch Bar models so far in house. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Any information on the difference in performance of the 450/455 and the 460 option? Quote Link to comment
Tom Klaber Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 51 minutes ago, JimW said: The 15" models with the dedicated AMD Radeon Pro 450/455 seems to be doing well. I had initially been irritated that they went with a custom card but they were just the unveiling of that particular Radeon model, theyre basically the FireGL/Fire Pro series so while expensive, they perform well. I have had many users with the 13" models report slowness but I have not had first hand experience with one, we only have the 15" Touch Bar models so far in house. We have a staffer who was complaining that her 13" is both slow and buggy. She was blaming VW2017, but I think it is the intel integrated graphics. When she moves a door in a wall - things disappear and do not upgrade correctly. I was not able to reproduce so I blamed her new computer. Quote Link to comment
Andrew Davies Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 I went for the higher 460 option. All seems to be ok - though difficult to tell. New OS, new VWX and new laptop.. Happy to run some tests if anyone wants? Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Pat Stanford said: Any information on the difference in performance of the 450/455 and the 460 option? Strange, Barefeats has no direct comparison between the 2 GPU. Only 13" vs 15" maxed out. I think this the most interesting link : http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-Pro-460-vs-Radeon-Pro-450 The rest you would have to compare barefeats 460 and the lots of other sites testing 450 only, maybe there is a comparable or same benchmark anywhere. Quote Link to comment
rDesign Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) (duplicate post) Edited January 10, 2017 by rDesign somehow I got a duplicate post Quote Link to comment
rDesign Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Andrew Davies said: I went for the higher 460 option. All seems to be ok - though difficult to tell. New OS, new VWX and new laptop.. Happy to run some tests if anyone wants? @Andrew Davies- perhaps running Cinebench might give a baseline performance score for your new MBP with Radeon Pro 460. Take a look at this thread where JimW has posted some GPU scores from his internal Cinebench testing. Edited January 10, 2017 by rDesign Quote Link to comment
Matt Overton Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Tom Klaber said: We have a staffer who was complaining that her 13" is both slow and buggy. She was blaming VW2017, but I think it is the intel integrated graphics. When she moves a door in a wall - things disappear and do not upgrade correctly. I was not able to reproduce so I blamed her new computer. I'd say 2017 is more the problem than the hardware. 2016 runs noticeably better on older hardware than 2013 (and 2014 from all the I've heard). While 2017 is a significant drain on performance and runs worse all the hardware thrown at so far. 1 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted January 11, 2017 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 11, 2017 2017 has slightly heavier system requirements than 2016 and much heavier than 2015 and prior. A combination of weak hardware and upgrading to 2017 will absolutely cause slowness, but the disappearing or flickering object issues are bugs when they occur on hardware that meets minimum system specs. Quote Link to comment
Andrew Davies Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Not too sure what I am looking at but here are is the result of the Cinebench test with the 460 as suggested by @rDesign Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I think that is quite good. According to : http://www.cbscores.com/index.php?sort=os my nMac Pros D700's have an OpenGl of 80-86 Quote Link to comment
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