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Hello Jim, I too have come across the problem and can confirmTom's findings using a new blank VW 2017 document. Oops... to slow on the send click!

Hello JYA, I can't address the specifics of the spontaneous rotation, but if I interpret your description correctly, you are importing directly from the DWG source into your VW design file. If so, you should only import a DWG file into a new blank VW file. Then review the object(s), adjust or clean up as as needed and only then cut and paste it into the VW design file. Also be sure to review the class list that came with the DWG import and take the time to sort it out so it doesn't introduce a large number of new, oddly named classes in the destination VW file. Hope this helps, Bob

I would be interested if others can duplicate the following behavior in VW 2017: 1. Open a new document and create some arbitrary shapes then convert them to a symbol (design layer-1). 2. Create a Viewport containing the symbol. (Sht.-1) 3. Create design layer-2 and add some new shapes, text, etc. positioned so they will overlap the original design layer shapes from step 1. 4. Return to the sheet layer containing the symbol and select design layer-2 to be fully visible. 5. Return to Sht.-1 and right-click on the objects from design layer-2 , select Edit Design Layer and you will be taken back to design layer 1 NOT 2. Every time. If you replace the symbol created in step 1 with drawn objects, the Edit Design Layer command in step 5 works as expected. Furthermore, if you place the objects created in step 3 so they do not overlap the design layer-1 objects, then the Edit Design Layer command works as expected. The problem appears to stem from using a symbol in a viewport. This is problematic for me since I frequently use floor plan symbols over which I layer power and signal plans, finish plans, etc., and control visibilities from the sheet layer OIP. I exported the same file to VW 2016, opened it in VW 2016 and the result of step 5 takes me to design layer 2... as it should be. No problem using a symbol. Thanks for any observations!

Hi jmartinarch. Yeah, I see your point regarding the limits of the text margin value. Try if you haven't already the second option I show below, though it does change the justification. Perhaps the "extend shoulder" was added in later versions for the very reason you posted originally

In the OIP change the text margin value to a smaller value. Bob

OK, I now have moved from Jim's "intermittent" category into Bruce and Zoomer's "it works for me" category. The only change since my last post is that I shut down my computer over the weekend (I do work home, well sort of...). Come Monday morning all is well and VW help works as designed on Safari 10.0.1. Bob

Note that if the symbol in question has instances already placed in the drawing they will change position to reflect the change in insertion point. Bob

Update... I'm now fully on board with Jim's intermittent. For me it turns out to have been a one-time fix. After closing VW help and reopening, the Table of Contents is again not to be found. Fiddle with the plug-in settings and it returns. Close and reopen and it's gone again. I could repeat this all day. Back to Chrome for me. Bob

It worked for me.. finally. In my case I had to update my Java plug-in, which I dutifully did. After following Zoomer's sequence (thanks!) VW Help appeared in Safari but without the table of contents. The other VW Help features were present and usable. I went back to Safari's plug-in settings and wouldn't you know that the Java update had re-actvated Adobe Flash Player... normally OFF. I turned it off, reloaded VWHelp "with plug-ins", and now the Table of Contents appears. I had already updated iTunes earlier. Regarding Jim's comment about it being intermittent, I will see how it goes from here. Bob

Print to PDF is available in the print menu through OS 10.11. Can't speak to OS 10.12 as I have not yet taken the plunge. I use it all the time and have had no significant issues, though there was one printer that didn't play well with my pdf's when printed using Adobe Reader but worked just fine when printed from Apple's free Preview app. Hope this helps.

You're sort of right about the missing escape key. Why do I get the feeling this is yet another move by Apple to undermine functionality in the effort to unify its product line into a dumbed down platform for users too preoccupied to care? Apple/Mac use since the days of the Apple II+. End of rant.

Same here. Well at least it's raining today.

Kensington Expert Mouse. Used heavily for both CAD and photo editing (at home). Needs latest version of Trackball Works 1.2.1 software. Plays nice with Vectorworks up through 2017. One nit: the score: wheel on-screen action is not as smooth as it should be. that's "scroll" wheel!

Quick follow-up... As an interim measure I reset Chrome's default opening page to Vectorworks Help and then put an alias of Chrome on my desktop (renamed VW Help of course!). Not holding my breath on a timely Safari update on this issue from Apple. Now back to work.

Understood. Thanks Jim.

I use Safari frequently as part of my work flow, sourcing materials, details, spec's, etc. and have bookmarked a large array of resources over the years. So without changing my preferred browser to say Google Chrome, is there a setting by which I can point VW Help to a non-Safari browser?

I agree that the data Stamp tool should update from the Obj Info palette; however, you can force an update (no pun intended, well maybe not) by clicking then re-clicking "Show Date". Personally I think there is much to take advantage in upgrading to VW 2017, Data Stamp behavior not withstanding.

I usually save views of scenes i am studying. Perhaps by initiating the re-render via a saved view might force a full re-render. I seem to recall that this is the case. HTH. I should add that saved views can retain a specific rendering mode and in this case should be set up to use final renderworks.

Forgive me if this is further yet off topic but in the spirit of discussing rapid technological changes leading to unintended consequences... http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/news/2016/2016-06-14-community-guidance-street-lighting.page Needless to say, so I will, the vast majority of our workstation monitors are now LED lit. Furthermore latest code based energy standards in commercial buildings (Title 24 in California) virtually mandate the use of lE lighting for all interior office spaces... unless your desk is along a window line of course.

Spot on. Looks great on the evening news but the prospect of a touch screen desktop CAD monitor, even a modest sized one, would not be very practical. Excuse me while I rest with my elbow on the desk while pondering further responses...

Careful what you wish for... might not be so much fun after 8 hours of arm waving.. err finger dragging. I'm old enough to remember how much I relied on the old drafting table for support during those long nights!

++1 Bob

With the proviso that it is Monday morning and I've yet to have my first cup of coffee... With firewall on and Vectorworks enabled to accept incoming connections I get the message upon VW startup. With firewall off I get no such message upon VW startup.

Jim and Zoomer, Many thanks. I will give it a go. Bob

Hello Jim, Perhaps on a similar subject... I have need to apply text to a curved surface, similar to the cylinder being discussed. Can I do this with text that has been converted to polygons, or do I need to go the texture route being discussed? Thanks.