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Is this new in vw2022? In vw2021 I recall unsuccessfully trying to use the data manager to do this. I could attach records but not edit the attached values. Maybe I missed something. @hollister design StudioYes customising default record data for symbol definitions in the RM is really tedious. There is a workaround if you have symbol instances with all the correct data already inserted somewhere. The workaround uses a “make symbol unique” script that will take a symbol instance and duplicate it with a new duplicate symbol definition. You can choose to use the record data of the original symbol instance as default record data for the new symbol definition. So if you did this and then deleted the original symbol def, rename the new symbol def the same as the deleted one, then import the new def into your library. The old symbol def with the same name in the library would be replaced with the new one complete with your custom default record data. If there is a lot of record info you want to customise then this method saves a lot of typing. Script can be found in this thread.

It looks like the only new video is the one @JuanP provided the link for. All the others seem to be the same as the ones on the OzCad website.

Thanks Michael. I can edit the note description via the notes manager. The thing is I shouldn’t have to do that. I’m not having much fun with the notes tools today. I spent much of my day waiting for vw ti process some simple changes to notes in keynote legends…

Are all the WD- classes set to visible? Windoor uses a WD-2D class for most 2D geometry and a range of other WD- classes for 3D geometry, ID tags, ceiling lines etc. These should all typically be set to visible except the WD-ceiling lines class which is typically off but can be used in reflected ceiling plans. Another possibility is the cut plane settings. Their are various options for how the 2d can be displayed depending on how high the windoor object is placed in relation a determined height.

But does the stair tool work??? 🙂

I'm wondering if anyone else has come across this or if it's one of those known issues. If you have two (or possibly more) notes in a database that have the same note description and you have a keynote legend, or general notes object, and you want to change one of the notes. The legend, or general notes object will only allow you to select one of the notes from the Database. It will show two objects with the same description but they will both have the same note text. For some reason it thinks they are the same note. If you change the note description of one of the notes via the notes manager then the legend or general notes object can then "see" both of the notes and you can select either. I often want my notes to have the same description as they are standard notes. e.g. I have two notes for "Trim" One is: "Trim" (Note description) "Refer details." (Note Text) The other is: "Trim" (Note description) "40x10 FJ pine." (Note Text) The keynote legends or General Notes objects will only let me insert the first one. Individual callouts/keynotes will allow me to select either.

Hmm I might be wrong on the data visualisation controlling visibilities comment at the end of my last post. Data vis can control the attributes/ appearance of objects but I’m not sure it can control their visibility. Best somebody who knows what they are talking about respond there.

You could do that though I suggest just hit ctrl u and ungroup each group as the symbols are placed. Your original question was how to avoid having to place a data tag with each placement of a symbol and Mark’s method does exactly that. You could also set your default record data for your symbol definition to the most common settings to minimise how much post insertion record editing you need to do for each instance of the symbol. But no matter which way you do it you were always going to have to edit the record data to some extent after placement. I often use worksheets for editing record fields attached to symbols. With worksheets you can edit the symbol record individually or you can summarise all the symbols with the same record and edit the records all at once. You can also locate a symbol directly from a worksheet. There is lots more they can do. Re controlling visibilities with records. Yes this is possible with data visualisation. I haven’t used it that much myself so not too familiar with how best to apply it.

That’s very clever @markdd! I will use that tip. @Danuthe other option is not to use data tags at all but just place some text in the symbol and use the “Link Text to Record” command (in the tools >records menu), to link the text to whatever record field you want. When you place the symbol in your drawing the text will display whatever default you set in the symbol definition but you can change the record field for each instance and the text will change. This is the old way it was done before the introduction of data tags. It doesn’t have the same graphic flexibility of data tags but it is simple and in the right circumstances it is just as good and quicker.

That’s weird. You could try creating a new class from scratch in another file with the exact same name. Then import that class into your file. The old class will be deleted but all objects on it will transfer to the new class. All vp and saved view visibility settings for the old class will also transfer to the new class. You need to import the class via the “new class” dialogue.

I don’t use the native door and window tools but the WinDoor tool from OzCad, which I understand will be included in vw2022 designer series general release, has a seperate tool for controlling the location, offset, number and incrementing of the WinDoor ID label.

It took me a while to discover that select sheets button. Seems odd to place it at the bottom of the dialogue when it is invariably the first thing I do in the TM manager.

I don’t think so. It would be a nice feature if there was a “centre label to space boundary” button.

The other perhaps simpler way is to create a “Library File”, place it in a shared location and for everyone to make it a favourite via their resource manager. We don’t use google drive so I’m not sure if there are any complications there but I would think not. A workgroup is a good idea though. You can then put your templates in the shared workgroup “templates” folder and everyone will see them in a templates list when they go to create a new file..

Great tip @michaelk !

Apart from it's use for 2d symbols the only other value I see in using screen plane is in 3d views where I use the unified view setting to not show screen objects. For that reason I tend to put 2d stuff on the screen plane so that when I go to a 3d view I can just see my 3d model uncluttered by a whole lot of 2d/planar stuff. So, as far as I can see, if your are working in 2d, then I don't think it matters if you draft on the layer plane or the screen plane, or a mixture of both as they both look the same in top/plan view. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this!

I think this is the crux of it. You’re active plane when you made the 3D symbols was prob the layer plane and for the 2d symbols you were prob working in screen plane.

Everyone has their own preferences but as I use vp annotations a lot I like my dble click to get me straight into annotations. For anything else I use the right click context menu.

Have you played with the select similar tool settings? You can change these to suit the type of object' it's class, it's symbol name etc. It's works in a similar way to the custom selection tool in the tools palette. You just need a criteria that can single them out like symbol name, a record field, a class etc.

I am not sure this is a good idea as the scaling will be to the centre of each layers geometry which may not be the same and thereby putting each scaled layer out of alignment with each other. If you draw a large rectangle over the drawing that surrounds all the geometry so the centre of the scaling would be the centre of the rectangle, and copy and paste in place this rectangle onto each layer before scaling then the layers should maintain their alignment.

I opened your file and I can see the label handles. Any chance maybe you have the reshape tool active? What happens if you convert the space to unstyled? (BTW your signature is showing your using VW 2013 but the file opened straight up in vw2021 so I'm guessing that might need updating).

You can create favourites in the user library favourites folder by adding an actual file to the folder or an alias/shortcut of the file. It looks like you have somehow done both and somehow vw is showing them as doubled up resource files in the RM. When you add a favourite via the RM vw will place an alias/shortcut in the favourites folder. If you delete the alias file and refresh your library the doubles should disappear.

I’m wondering if add to “root” adds the folder to the root position of the current active RM file rather than the favourites folder. There is no problem adding folders or files “inside” vw (by which I take it you mean your user folder). You just need to do a refresh your library or restart vw to see them in the RM.

I don't think there is a way of avoiding it, but there is, I think, an easy way to do it for each file. First you need to have a drawing label style that you want to use. Then go to Tools>Custom Modification. Set the criteria to select "Type is drawing Label". Make sure you check "Including components of groups and Viewport annotations". You should get a Custom Modification dialogue pop up that looks much like the object info palette. Go to "Style". There should be a drop down from the "Unstyled" it is currently saying to "Replace". Browse to and select your drawing label style. While you are in this dialogue you might want to set the rotation to 0°. Hit ok. All the labels in your file should change to the selected style and be horizontal. Hopefully they come in looking correct. If some were mirrored then you probably have to go back and adjust them individually.

Maybe your detail reference marker style is using a class that is not set to visible in the 1:20 viewports?