digitalcarbon Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 does anyone have any input as to how much faster vw runs on these machines? was wondering if we could have a bench mark file that could be used. not sure if this would work but i have a file of all the roads in vermont and my zoom & pan are sluggish (mac mini) something like that. vw could say it runs so fast on this machine or that. any suggestions? Quote Link to comment
Ray Libby Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I would say you would see a large increase in speed. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 ok great thanks has anyone upgraded to find out that it is not as fast a one thought. before i spend $ it would be great to know if it is 2x, 3x, 3.5x etc Quote Link to comment
billtheia Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I upgraded from a first-gen Macbook (1.83 GHz Core Duo) to an i5 iMac. The iMac is MUCH faster but when I use Renderworks, I wish that I had gone for the i7 machine. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 ok, that is helpful how about updating section viewports? Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Was using 2.33 MacBookPro. Now use i7. Very much faster in all areas! Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 is there any difference between an iMac vs MacBookPro? in the area of i7 speed Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I can't currently help on the panning and zooming part, but here is a way to get a relative comparison of rendering speeds. The attached VW file (Total Timer V1 v2010.vwx 3MB). is set up in Perspective view. This is so the rendered area is cropped and not dependent on the screen size. Open the File and double click on the Total Timer V1 script. Check all the boxes in the dialog box that opens and click OK. The script will run through all of the rendering modes and then give you a list of the time each render took. On my MacBook Pro 2.43 GHz, Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of ram I got the following times: OpenGL 0.2 Fast RenderWorks 0.6 FRW w/Shadows 0.8 Final Quality RW 1.2 CustomRW 1.1 Fast Radiosity 2.0 Final Quality Radiosity 22.4 Custom Radiosity 21.8 The Custom options may change depending on your custom settings. The times will vary depending on what else your computer is doing at the time. For the most consistant results restart your computer. Launch VW and nothing else and run the scripts. Post your times and machine specs back here. If we get enough information maybe we can do a table showing relative speeds. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 WOW! will do Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 NVIDIA GeForce 9400: OpenGL 0.3 Fast RenderWorks 0.6 FRW w/Shadows 0.7 Final Quality RW 0.8 CustomRW 0.8 Fast Radiosity 1.2 Final Quality Radiosity 20.5 Custom Radiosity 20.6 Quote Link to comment
Horst M. Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) That's a very cool Idea and Script! On my Macbook Pro with Nvidia Gforce 9400M: Open GL: 0,3 Fast RW: 0,6 Fast RW w/Shadows: 0,7 FQRW: 0,8 CRW: 0,8 Fast Radiosity: 1,1 FQ Radiosity: 19,4 Custom Radiosity: 19,3 On my Macbook Pro with Nvidia Gforce 9600M GT: Open GL: 0,3 Fast RW: 0,5 Fast RW w/Shadows: 0,6 FQRW: 0,7 CRW: 0,7 Fast Radiosity: 1,0 FQ Radiosity: 19,4 Custom Radiosity: 19,1 Edited July 1, 2010 by Horst M. Quote Link to comment
mar schrammeyer Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Just matched my iMac 3.06ghz 4G ram to my colleagues PC Intel 2duo 2.6 ghz 2G ram with Stans timer on final quality radiosity Mac 17.2 PC 14.7 Quote Link to comment
Ray Libby Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 OpenGL 0.4 Fast RenderWorks 0.4 FRW w/Shadows 0.4 Final Quality RW 0.3 CustomRW 0.3 Fast Radiosity 0.7 Final Quality Radiosity 7.5 Custom Radiosity 7.5 Quote Link to comment
Ozzie Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 (edited) Desktop OpenGL 0.0 Fast RenderWorks 0.2 FRW w/Shadows 0.2 Final Quality RW 0.1 CustomRW 0.3 Fast Radiosity 0.3 Final Quality Radiosity 5.4 Custom Radiosity 5.4 Windows 7 64 bit VW 2010LMRW Intel i7 Quad Core 2.66 ghz 6GB Memory NVidia Ge Force 9800 GT ASUS Laptop OpenGL 0.5 Fast RenderWorks 0.6 FRW w/Shadows 0.4 Final Quality RW 0.7 CustomRW 0.6 Fast Radiosity 0.9 Final Quality Radiosity 13.4 Custom Radiosity 13.4 Windows 7 32 bit VW 2010LMRW Intel Core 2 Duo T9550 4GB Memory NVidia Ge Force GT 130M CUDA 1GB Edited July 2, 2010 by Ozzie Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Anyone with an i5 out there so we can see the difference? How about a i7 Mac to compare to the i7 windows? Quote Link to comment
billtheia Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 i5 iMac, 2.66 GHz, 4GB RAM OpenGL 0.3 Fast RenderWorks 0.5 FRW w/Shadows 0.5 Final Quality RW 0.4 CustomRW 0.4 Fast Radiosity 1.0 Final Quality Radiosity 8.5 Custom Radiosity 8.5 Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 A first draft of a comparison chart is now available at: http://vectortasks.com/VW_RenderSpeeds/VW2010_RenderSpeeds.htm Based on the limited data so far if you are doing much rendering you definitely want an i7. The i7 in the test was 30 to 60% faster than the i5. And about 350% faster than a 4 Core 2 Quad at the same speed. Quote Link to comment
Horst M. Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Pat, I think there is a little mistake in the chart. I did both tests for my previous Post (#142359) with the MB Pro Laptop, to check if there is any Speed difference between the two built in Graphics Controllers. I haven't done the test with the MacPro 4x2.66 /8GB ... yet Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 pat thanks for the speed test that you posted. i know you cannot do a test on pan & zoom but how about a script that selects all text, changes font and size, then deselects. i have all the road names & the roads for the state of massachusetts in one file and when i select the all the text things really hang up (30 min) i can send the file to you is this the same as rendering? or is something different? Quote Link to comment
Danielj1 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 NVIDIA GeForce 9400M (better battery life) OpenGL: 0.3 Fast RW: 0.6 Fast RW w/Shadows: 0.7 FQRW: 0.8 Custom RW: 0.8 Fast Rad: 1.1 FQRad: 22.5 Custom Rad: 22.2 NVIDIA GeForce 9400M GT (better performance) OpenGL: 0.3 Fast RW: 0.6 Fast RW w/Shadows: 0.7 FQRW: 0.8 Custom RW: 0.8 Fast Rad: 1.1 FQRad: 22.3 Custom Rad: 22.2 MBPro, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo OSX-10.5.8 Dan J. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Horst, I have updated the table. Are you sure you ran both video modes? I did the same with my MBP (see the last two columns) and saw a much larger difference between the two render modes. The table has also been reformatted. I am not happy with it yet, but it will do for now. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 pat thanks for the speed test that you posted. i know you cannot do a test on pan & zoom but how about a script that selects all text, changes font and size, then deselects. i have all the road names & the roads for the state of massachusetts in one file and when i select the all the text things really hang up (30 min) i can send the file to you is this the same as rendering? or is something different? Send me the file and I will probably take a subset of it (don't want the test to take too long). Maybe down to where it takes 2 minutes on my machine. Maybe do two tests. One for selection (which is mostly a screen redraw thing due to the selection highlighting). One for redraw (switch between two saved views with nothing selected). And maybe throw in a good old fashioned math function just for ducks. Anyone have a favorite? The email in my signature will take up to a 30MB file. Quote Link to comment
Horst M. Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 (edited) Hi, her are the times for my desktop Mac MacPro 2x 2x2,66GHz (Intel Xeon) RAM 5 GB ATI X1900 512MB OS X 10.5.8 OpenGL: 0.5 Fast RW: 0.7 Fast RW w/Shadows: 0.7 FQRW: 0.6 Custom RW: 0.6 Fast Rad: 1.1 FQRad: 15.0 Custom Rad: 14.7 @Pat, I doublechecked the times for my MB-Pro, with the same result as before. Edited July 3, 2010 by Horst M. Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Aloha, Pat: 27" iMac i7 with 16GB RAM and second 30" cinema display connected to the imac. Rendered on the main iMac display. OpenGL: 0.3 Fast RenderWorks: 0.4 Fast RenderWorks w/Shadows: 0.5 Final Quality RenderWorks: 0.4 Custom RenderWorks: 0.4 Fast Radiosity: 0.9 Final Quality Radiosity: 9.5 Custom Radiosity: 9.5 Quote Link to comment
Yoginathaswami Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Did another test after restarting the Mac and just VW running... Couple seconds of improvement on the last two settings. OpenGL: 0.3 Fast RenderWorks: 0.5 Fast RenderWorks w/Shadows: 0.5 Final Quality RenderWorks: 0.4 Custom RenderWorks: 0.4 Fast Radiosity: 0.9 Final Quality Radiosity: 9.3 Custom Radiosity: 9.3 Quote Link to comment
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