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Grouping of Layers - PLEASE


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It's maddening that there is no way of doing it. But to be fair even if we could add a "-" to allow a heirachy system like the classes use, it would be an improvement. Being able to link them though would be great too, although I guess that is mostly done through saved views and editing from within the viewports?

 

This is our current work around to try and keep files organised. We would welcome any tips on improving this?

 

 

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On 4/5/2023 at 5:23 PM, Josh S said:

It's maddening that there is no way of doing it. But to be fair even if we could add a "-" to allow a heirachy system like the classes use, it would be an improvement. Being able to link them though would be great too, although I guess that is mostly done through saved views and editing from within the viewports?

 

This is our current work around to try and keep files organised. We would welcome any tips on improving this?

 

 

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Hello,

 

I am new to VW, coming from a decade of using revit which i've quickly realised, had it all. One of my biggest bugbears is the navigation/browser organisation of "plans" which VW calls layers. I can see there has been multiple requests about a collapsable, 2-tier system which exists in classes, but for the meantime im interested in how you've structured your project browser here. Are these just false layers you've arranged into Subheadings? 

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Pushing this feature request again to the top of the list .-)

Attached a screenshot from the layer palette inside Form-Z

There you can easily create a group and drag and drop other layers into this.

 

Also a nice feature in Form-Z is the small icon to lock a layer .-)

 

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On 5/16/2024 at 3:59 AM, DankBruce said:

Hello,

 

I am new to VW, coming from a decade of using revit which i've quickly realised, had it all. One of my biggest bugbears is the navigation/browser organisation of "plans" which VW calls layers. I can see there has been multiple requests about a collapsable, 2-tier system which exists in classes, but for the meantime im interested in how you've structured your project browser here. Are these just false layers you've arranged into Subheadings? 

Hi DankBruce,

 

Welcome to VW! I only ever learned the basics in Vectorworks, I would be interested to hear how you find this in comparison (May be drop me a message?).

 

To answer your question - Yes. I just create additional false layers to break the drawing down. I have even started adding them to help manage my sheet layers on projects multiple users are working on (In progress, Issued, etc...). It does work, but a little plus and stackable symbol would make it all so much more manageable!

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Maybe a Filter could have a little Group UI icon in the Navigation Palette - so you would see said icons all at once:

So Groups basically become another & quicker Filter.

 

Simple Icon - Group1

Simple Icon - Group2 ....

'nother icon - 'Grouped' via Filter 1

'nother icon - 'Grouped' via a Filter 2 etc.

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-grouping of layers

-layer locks

-sometimes I wish for "layer move" where I can just move the entire layer like you can with the pan tool.  I know you can select all and then move, but I always feel like if I do that and then drag I'm at risk of losing my selection on the next click....

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7 hours ago, grant_PD said:

-grouping of layers

-layer locks

-sometimes I wish for "layer move" where I can just move the entire layer like you can with the pan tool.  I know you can select all and then move, but I always feel like if I do that and then drag I'm at risk of losing my selection on the next click....

wkarnd: Select / group / move / ungroup - it's the only way I feel safe in these instances

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What does it take to have one wake up and smell the coffee?

There is no excuse for this in my opinion.

 

Why so many of us end users have asked for years, for many things, and nothing has changed.

I for one, am not interested in your "reasons".

 

There are multiple core tools, that is they have been with VW (MiniCad) for many years, yet no progress has been made.

I think, partially that they view VW as a designer tool not as an Architect tool.

 

Not all of us are Designers.  Some of us, are actual builders.  We have the real world experience on what it takes to build the design.

 

The tools, many have been here since Minicad, why not keep them up to date.

If not kept up to date, then create new or delete the old.

 

I do not want to hear about "coding" issues.

Your competition is dealing with it, why not you?

 

Do any of the software engineers have any real world experience, or they just do what they are told?

 

I am sorry if I appear to harsh, but the kids gloves need to come off.

 

FWIW

IMHO

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How could I forget materials! Another feature half baked on release with promised development left to rot.. Which I was reminded of after a user got a smacked hand in the ai visualiser forum for daring to question it's existence in lieu of... Actual enhancements to neglected tools. 

Dev time wasted in an ai visualiser... A curiosity... In lieu of actual enhancements. No doubt this tool will also suffer the same fate as others... 

Marionette - let's reinvent the wheel! There was lots of big talk on collaboration with other vendors and being ahem... 'open'... Grasshopper and Rhino? No? OK! 

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42 minutes ago, Ross Harris said:

How could I forget materials! Another feature half baked on release with promised development left to rot..

 

Just to offer an alternative perspective I think Materials are fantastic + use them day in day out. They are a game-changer as far as I'm concerned + a very welcome development. Many of the original complaints were to do with not being able to use them with Doors + Windows but this functionality has now been added (not that I've ever needed to apply a Material to a Door or a Window..).

 

This is not to say I don't agree with the OP + haven't voted it up. Given the strength of feeling + number of wishes about this it would be great to get some feedback from VW on the matter. Has it been discussed internally? Is it very challenging to implement? Is there any likelihood of it ever happening? I can't remember if VW has commented on any of the other threads.

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Why do we get the feeling that they are ignoring us?

Too long for user requests, and nothing to show for it.

 

I love Vectorworks for it's flexibility,  and dislike it for it's inherit limitations.

Great ideas on some tools, but absolute rookie implementations, or updates.

 

Some of these tools have been with us since MiniCad.

 

I feel as though we have a process of Designers vs Real World Builders.

 

Why have a tool if it is truly not real world functioning?

Just to say you have it, albeit lackluster.

If any CAD software company has a tool or tools that do not make the cut, either get rid of them or bring them up to speed.

 

I am not interested in hearing about coding issues.

That is no excuse.

That is your responsibility as CAD software company.

 

We will keep asking and pushing to get what should be there.

After all, you do say Architectural (in my case).

 

FWIW

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@Tom W. Just curious. How do you use materials, and exactly how do you consider them to be a game changer?  I know they exist but I certainly do not make much use of them.  
 

When they came out I thought that the materials container would allow you to separate fill attributes from section cut  graphics.  For example you could have a steel piece cut in section with a hatch but showing solid in plan.  When I realized that’s not how materials worked, I sort of lost interest…

 

 

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