VW2024 Doors - how to change hinge side on a swing bi-part configuration?

[StefanoT]

Hello,

 

Just wondering how to change hinge side (and/or main and 2nd leaf) on a swing bi-part door with non symmetrical configuration in VW2024.

Looks like hinge side always stays right (see the video below, VW localised Italian), and it is not possibile to set a door with main leaf with left hinge.

@Pier Luigi @Matt Panzer  thanks in advance for any help/tip.

 

PS: minor issue with doors and windows UI/UX. On smaller screens (e.g. MacBook Pro 14inches) the tool "UI/UX window" struggle to fit in the screen height, while door configurations names are barely understandable being the text "cropped" and the window not scalable

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zoomer]

I had the same problem with some of my Doors after migrating to VW 2024.

(Doors with side and top lights)

The only thing I found was to use the standard Mirror Tool.

(Usually I avoid that in CAD)

I am not sure if that was the recommended way and hope it will not harm

or risk my Doors.

Edited November 15, 2023 by zoomer

[Jonathan Pickup]

40 minutes ago, zoomer said:

The only thing I found was to use the standard Mirror Tool.

 

 

this is what I found too. Flip only changes it from inside to outside. 

 

If you change the second leaf to the correct width for the first leaf, then it works. So basically you swap the second leaf for the main leaf

 

this might help:

 

[Matt Panzer]

My apologies for chiming in late on this.

This issue is a result of the changes made for door and window handing in Vectorworks 2024.

I would recommend only the first workaround mentioned by @Jonathan Pickup where you swap the sizes for Leaf 1 and Leaf 2 in the Unequal Leaf pane of the setting dialog.  I strongly discourage using the mirror tool to flip it in the wall because mirroring of inserted doors and windows should not be allowed. This mirroring of inserts is a known bug and, when fixed, may result in the insert "unflipping" on you later.

 

I've entered a bug about the Hinge Side parameter not controlling the hinge side of Leaf 1 for unequal leaves (VB-200804).

[zoomer]

21 hours ago, Matt Panzer said:

I strongly discourage using the mirror tool to flip it in the wall because mirroring of inserted doors and windows should not be allowed.

 

@Matt Panzer

 

Oh, I got it now ....

I do not need to "mirror" my Doors (with a side light).

I searched for and expected, a left+right sidelight checkbox/setting option

but it was just hidden in numeric inputs ....

Nevertheless, this way I was now able to re-orient my Doors with a side light correctly !

 

(BTW 1

Why did 23 to 24 migration "mirrored" my Doors in the first place !?)

 

(BWT2

is there an option to find which Objects you mirrored - later - which you shall not had mirrored)

 

 

However,

geometry of the Doors

(using Jamb Extension + top + side lights ...)

looked much better at first glance in VW 2024. 👍

But I still see some strange overall Door appearance in Top Plan View

(strange interrupted Lines at Wall thickness level) and I am not able

to control my "Thresholds"

("Under Leave only" !?)

Of course that happens in 3D also, not only top plan view ....

 

So in case anyone interested in, I will add a Screenshot and Test File.

What I want is a "Threshold" that mimics a 5 mm iron L-Profile,

used to stop/seal the Door Leaf bottom side

(Usually there is a 2 cm height level difference between both Floors)

and to separate the Floor Materials between Rooms

of a 1960ies residential house.

 

 

 

 

Untitled 3.vwx

[Matt Panzer]

Hi @zoomer.

 

22 hours ago, zoomer said:

 

@Matt Panzer

 

Oh, I got it now ....

I do not need to "mirror" my Doors (with a side light).

I searched for and expected, a left+right sidelight checkbox/setting option

but it was just hidden in numeric inputs ....

Nevertheless, this way I was now able to re-orient my Doors with a side light correctly !

 

(BTW 1

Why did 23 to 24 migration "mirrored" my Doors in the first place !?)

 

This is a known bug (VB-197655).

 

22 hours ago, zoomer said:

(BWT2

is there an option to find which Objects you mirrored - later - which you shall not had mirrored)

 

Probably the best way to find them is via worksheets using:

=IF(ISFLIPPED(), 'FLIPPED', '-')

 

 

22 hours ago, zoomer said:

However,

geometry of the Doors

(using Jamb Extension + top + side lights ...)

looked much better at first glance in VW 2024. 👍

But I still see some strange overall Door appearance in Top Plan View

(strange interrupted Lines at Wall thickness level) and I am not able

to control my "Thresholds"

("Under Leave only" !?)

Of course that happens in 3D also, not only top plan view ....

 

Thank you for bringing this up!

This looks like a regression from VW 2024 Update 1.

Bug reported (VB-200844)

 

I also noticed the wall lines / header lines are also incorrect when using one or unequal sidelights and reported that (VB-200856).

 

 

 

 

[zoomer]

Thanks for all answers and bug reporting !

Edited November 30, 2023 by zoomer

[zoomer]

10 minutes ago, Matt Panzer said:

I also noticed the wall lines / header lines are also incorrect when using one or unequal sidelights and reported that (VB-200856).

 

And I also noticed VW somehow does not like unequal lights - for Windows ...

 

Window Type custom to create e.g. unequal bi-fold or vertical sash cobinations.

When I assign the hight value for the upper Sash for unequal sizes and later

change other things like tilt to glazing or things like frame thickness ....

each time the modified Sash height jumped back to default for equal sized openings.

 

 

[zoomer]

BTW File migration (VW 2024 SP0 (?)

 

And there was one "standard" Door

(no sidelight, just a transom - but Jamb extensions)

which after migration had its Jamb extensions "mirrored"

a door width outside of Door and Wall free in space.

 

While I do not see a reason why I should have ever mirrored that door.

And mirroring did not bring jamb extensions back in position.

AFAIR I healed it by extracting from and reading to Wall.

 

Also my 4 most heavily back and forth edited Windows lost

their insertion depth position and or offsets.

While most others using same Style did not.

(While their "impossible" wall closures settings seem to magically work now)

[Matt Panzer]

2 hours ago, zoomer said:

 

And I also noticed VW somehow does not like unequal lights - for Windows ...

 

Window Type custom to create e.g. unequal bi-fold or vertical sash cobinations.

When I assign the hight value for the upper Sash for unequal sizes and later

change other things like tilt to glazing or things like frame thickness ....

each time the modified Sash height jumped back to default for equal sized openings.

 

I don't recall hearing about this issue.  Would you mind entering a bug for this? with steps to reproduce?

[Matt Panzer]

1 hour ago, zoomer said:

BTW File migration (VW 2024 SP0 (?)

 

And there was one "standard" Door

(no sidelight, just a transom - but Jamb extensions)

which after migration had its Jamb extensions "mirrored"

a door width outside of Door and Wall free in space.

 

While I do not see a reason why I should have ever mirrored that door.

And mirroring did not bring jamb extensions back in position.

AFAIR I healed it by extracting from and reading to Wall.

 

Also my 4 most heavily back and forth edited Windows lost

their insertion depth position and or offsets.

While most others using same Style did not.

(While their "impossible" wall closures settings seem to magically work now)

 

There were a number of forward translation issues from VW 2024 SP0 that have been fixed in later Updates so most or all of these issue should be resolved.

The door and window handing features was a major change in how doors and windows work.  This caused quite a ripple effect throughout the code in those objects and is the reason there have been quite a few issues with them.  It is a very high priority for us to resolve any remaining issues related to this ASAP.

[zoomer]

50 minutes ago, Matt Panzer said:

I don't recall hearing about this issue.  Would you mind entering a bug for this? with steps to reproduce?

 

I was in a hurry when I setup/changed these Windows,

I have to look at it again and check if it is still a problem and reproducible ......

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by zoomer

[zoomer]

43 minutes ago, Matt Panzer said:

There were a number of forward translation issues from VW 2024 SP0 that have been fixed in later Updates so most or all of these issue should be resolved.

 

I should do a migration again with SP2 and look for differences.

Maybe it's worth to go on with this file "branch"  .....

[Matt Panzer]

4 minutes ago, zoomer said:

 

I should do a migration again with SP2 and look for differences.

Maybe it's worth to go on with this file "branch"  .....

 

I believe we're aware of any remaining forward translation issues but feel free to try if you'd like. If you do try, please let me know what you find and I'll let you know if you find anything new.  We have a pretty thorough forward translation test file so don't go too far out of your way for this. 

[zoomer]

21 hours ago, Matt Panzer said:

feel free to try if you'd like.

 

So far,

I did open the VW 2023 file again in VW 2024 SP2 and it looks exactly the same.

(all the issues I mentioned about Doors and Windows)

 

Need to examine the File in VW 2023 ....

 

But this and the other Door/Window things,

will need some time .... until I find the time ....  to .....

[zoomer]

22 hours ago, zoomer said:

I don't recall hearing about this issue.  Would you mind entering a bug for this? with steps to reproduce?

 

 

just as a teaser so far, it seems reproducible.

(did not yet try new Windows in a file from scratch)

 

Steps :

- Window in Wall

- type custom

- no matter if horizontal or vertical Sash group, create (min ?) two sashes

- enter a custom dimension for width or height to make an uneven ratio for sashes

(Maybe save and reopen settings dialog first)

- edit (anything) something like new mullion width ....

- Custom Sash Dimension value immediately jumps back to default even Sash ratio.

(I mean it does not only happen after you close/OK the dialog, it happens immediately

or at least when you confirm the new value by entering another input field)

[zoomer]

I tried a clean File from VW Blank Template,

one of the default generic Wall Styles.

 

I imported my migrated Window Style and inserted it into the Wall.

Set to custom Configuration.

Set 2 Columns, Double Tilt/Turn.

 

I'll attach the test file :

Untitled WIN TEST.vwx

 

On 12/1/2023 at 9:44 PM, zoomer said:

Steps :

 

- enter a smaller dimension for height to make an uneven ratio for sashes

(already done)

- edit something like new mullion Width (or even just Depth ! )

- Custom Sash height Dimension value immediately jumps back to default even Sash ratio.

 

I even tried one of VW's default Library (simple custom) Window

For me it does the same ......

As soon as I edit another value, uneven ratio dimension setting jumps back to default equal size.

 

Untitled WIN TEST 2.vwx

[Matt Panzer]

20 hours ago, zoomer said:

I tried a clean File from VW Blank Template,

one of the default generic Wall Styles.

 

I imported my migrated Window Style and inserted it into the Wall.

Set to custom Configuration.

Set 2 Columns, Double Tilt/Turn.

 

I'll attach the test file :

Untitled WIN TEST.vwx

 

 

I even tried one of VW's default Library (simple custom) Window

For me it does the same ......

As soon as I edit another value, uneven ratio dimension setting jumps back to default equal size.

 

Untitled WIN TEST 2.vwx

 

OK thanks!

I can reproduce and reported the issue (VB-200901).

[zoomer]

Thank you very much again !

 

I was not sure if others experience the same behavior or just me.

Or if it makes sense ... or so .....

(Like something with "uneven" Sash width needs to happen - if I change the mullion width ?)

[Matt Panzer]

4 minutes ago, zoomer said:

Thank you very much again !

 

I was not sure if others experience the same behavior or just me.

Or if it makes sense ... or so .....

(Like something with "uneven" Sash width needs to happen - if I change the mullion width ?)

 

Right.  This may very well be "by design" given that the window would have to decide which sashes to change.  Probably the best way to deal with this is to lock the sash width/height you want to keep before changing the mullion dimensions.  However, changing the column or row number is another story.

[zoomer]

Sorry @Matt Panzer 🙂

 

Back on topic - with a Door.

Just sketched that VW US Door from a photo for someone on the

german Forum.  As this configuration is said to no more working in

2024 CW Doors ..... (?)

 

 

 

For fun I tried the new 2024 feature, to get a gap under the Leafs and set 1 cm.

While creating, Preview in Door Settings looked first like adding the gap to the

upper side !? But the gap below worked correctly in geometry.

 

 

 

But now, when I look at that Door from Front View .....

 

 

 

It looks like the gap below the Leaf .....

(Why only below the Leaf ? I would like to set small gaps around the whole Leaf(s), when using

same materials to make Jamb/Leaf visible in Renderings)

.... is done by just moving Leafs in Z (?)

 

 

When the Door selected it looks like the Leaf(s) overlap the Jamb.

(I my case not Jamb but Mullion - because of the Transom)

You can see the semi occluded Leaf Top Edge above the bottom Line

of my Mullion (and under my dashed cross hair cursor)

 

 

But what I really wanted to say that I think it may not be "WAD" .... In Front View,

on Top of my Transom  ....  it looks like VW added a copy of my "under the Leaf gap"

between Top of Transom and Top of Jamb !?

 

 

 

And finally my Door File :

 

Untitled 5.vwx

Edited December 5, 2023 by zoomer

[Matt Panzer]

1 hour ago, zoomer said:

Sorry @Matt Panzer 🙂

 

Back on topic - with a Door.

Just sketched that VW US Door from a photo for someone on the

german Forum.  As this configuration is said to no more working in

2024 CW Doors ..... (?)

 

 

 

For fun I tried the new 2024 feature, to get a gap under the Leafs and set 1 cm.

While creating, Preview in Door Settings looked first like adding the gap to the

upper side !? But the gap below worked correctly in geometry.

 

 

 

But now, when I look at that Door from Front View .....

 

 

 

It looks like the gap below the Leaf .....

(Why only below the Leaf ? I would like to set small gaps around the whole Leaf(s), when using

same materials to make Jamb/Leaf visible in Renderings)

.... is done by just moving Leafs in Z (?)

 

 

When the Door selected it looks like the Leaf(s) overlap the Jamb.

(I my case not Jamb but Mullion - because of the Transom)

You can see the semi occluded Leaf Top Edge above the bottom Line

of my Mullion (and under my dashed cross hair cursor)

 

 

But what I really wanted to say that I think it may not be "WAD" .... In Front View,

on Top of my Transom  ....  it looks like VW added a copy of my "under the Leaf gap"

between Top of Transom and Top of Jamb !?

 

 

 

And finally my Door File :

 

Untitled 5.vwx

 

Thanks for pointing these out and for the file.

We are aware of issues related to the gap under leaf (VB-198298).  However, I attached your file to make sure the fix will include these cases.