problem with imported marionette object in new file .

[Ben3B]

Hello I ve build marionette object who works well !!! 
i've no problem to use it in the file where it was create .

 

So I saved the file and store it.

 

But when I work in other file and want to use that object it dosent work as expected ...

I tried different method (double click, drag n drop, right click , import...)

 

But I've always the same result .

Before I click in my file I see the object, then when I click the object is inserted, BUT as soon as I move the slider (who control the height) the symbol disappear .

The only way I'v found in order to work ... is to open the object editor, and close it , before moving the slider ...

 

I know this is maybe not the right place on the forum, feel free to move this post if so , I have another thread in marionnette but without answer 

 

below the link to the thread, the file with marionnette object and a video where I show you the problem 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

Gravity TLS431+accessoires_23_B.vwx

[Ben3B]

any idea ? @Marissa Farrell @Pat Stanford , for now my marionette are difficulty usable outside of its mother file ....

I did it to facilitate the vectorworks experience of the second user ( yes we have 2 licence now:) ) But i cant explain that he has to open the marionette editor when he import it   ...

thanks 

also , it s a begining of more tools like that , but the first one has to be ok before i spend more time for the other tools 😉

[Pat Stanford]

Not really any idea.

 

I opened the file in VW2023 and was able to copy/paste and select from the Resource Manager and have the objects move to a new file with no issue or warning.

 

This may be a VW2021 limitation.

[Ben3B]

12 hours ago, Pat Stanford said:

This may be a VW2021 limitation

ok but i m v23 sp4...

 

i tried on the  mac and laptop with the same result ...

12 hours ago, Pat Stanford said:

opened the file in VW2023 and was able to copy/paste and select from the Resource Manager and have the objects move to a new file with no issue or warnin

the problem only happens when moving the slider ...

[Ben3B]

So the french support answer me that is a units problem .

 

Because my object was build in file in mm when I import it in file in meter and move the slider, the object move far away ...

 

But when I tried in a file in mm I have the same result... the object disappear, I cant see it , but If I select all (ctrl A) I can see 1 tls 431 selected in oip , but I vcan't see it even if I Click on fit to page or fit to object ....

 

Any idea ?

[zoomer]

Yes, the imported geometry came in off scale by choosing the wrong settings.

Opposed to e.g. Autocad, changing Units in VW will only change your desired

Units to work with.

So you imported geometry is still off scale.

 

You could reimport the DWG with the correct units.

(There are Autocad users that do not set their Files INSUNITs, in this case nothing

is defined and VW's Import unit recognition must fail. Therefore the first thing after

importing a DWG is using the measurement tool to verify that the import made sense)

or you could carefully check Layers and Classes for visibility and scale all import related

from the origin in all 3 axis ... by a factor of 1000 (?)

 

EDIT :

Probably I misunderstood the problem completely and offered a solution for another,

not related problem, here ?

[Ben3B]

10 hours ago, zoomer said:

Probably I misunderstood the problem completely and offered a solution for another,

not related problem, here ?

yes true , because I dont speak about dwg import , but no because it is a problem with unit ...

the solution is to add a node who specify the unit ,with "no matter " of the unit document.

I m working on it and post the solution as soon as it is ok, 😊

[Ben3B]

so even with the node who specify the unit, i still have the problem https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SHI6MlvCWnrAfJR10AkQrdm5o91SqVT4/view?usp=drivesdk

[Marissa Farrell]

@Ben59

 

Sorry it's taken me so long to get around to this

 

I'm assuming the issue you're concerned about is how the objects are losing their fill when you adjust the slider in 3D views? I just want to make sure I'm troubleshooting the correct issue here.

 

Actually I'm not seeing that. I need more information from you.

[Ben3B]

On 5/4/2023 at 5:39 PM, Marissa Farrell said:

I need more information from you.

Hello what kind of information do you need ?

File's Attached 
the problem isnt in it but it is when I import marionette plugin in an other file and move the slider 😉

 

 TLS431+accessoires_23_B.vwx

[Marissa Farrell]

I can't reproduce this, if I copy the Marionette to a new file and adjust the slider it works correctly.

How are you moving it to the new file? Are you copy/pasting from the drawing area? Are you importing the red symbol in the Resource Manager?

[Ben3B]

First, sorry for the late answer, it is a very busy month 
But here it is , I can reproduce my"bug" In french we call IEC (Interface -Ecran-Clavier) So I'm the problem because I am between screen and keyboard ...

 

So If I double click on the marionnette style , I can put the marionnette object , but it disappear as soon as I move it slider...

But if i double click on the plugin wrapper, insert it in my file and change it's style, everything is OK 🙂 
Genial Time to build more marionette object 🙂 next step put speaker on stand 

And here is another question: 

in one version of my stand I have a truss object (ex50-045) but i cant hang lighting device on it ... I can snap truss element (the red wire appear) but nothing for the lighting device 
Do you think it's possible to keep the lighting hang feature ?
If not I will do the stand with lighting device in the marionette object and use the replace button to select the right lighting device 
Thanks 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Ben59

[Ben3B]

Also other questions:

Is possible to have the different style directly in the style drop down menu? and select it quickly ? (in order to click on the replace button and select the new style in the pop up menu )

And same question for the element of the marionnette is it possible to select it in a drop dowm menu ?
 

 

Thanks!

[Ben3B]

Erratum I have a unit problem, everthing is ok if I import it in a file with the same unit as the mationette file, but if not, it malfunction ... 

[Ben3B]

22 hours ago, Ben59 said:

Erratum I have a unit problem, everthing is ok if I import it in a file with the same unit as the mationette file, but if not, it malfunction ... 

It seems to be ok , I added a unit conversion

TLS431+accessoires_23_F.vwx

[dvdvarch]

I just let you know that I have tryied to open your file, then double clicked on the object to see how it was built and it blocked Vectorworks with a series of infinite error windows. I had to force quit, now Vectorworks doesn't start anymore, it stops on splash screen. I think I will have to reinstall it! (and I hope to solve the problem)😶‍🌫️.

 

What was in the file? (!)

[Ben3B]

On 6/24/2023 at 1:12 AM, dvdvarch said:

I just let you know that I have tryied to open your file, then double clicked on the object to see how it was built and it blocked Vectorworks with a series of infinite error windows. I had to force quit, now Vectorworks doesn't start anymore, it stops on splash screen. I think I will have to reinstall it! (and I hope to solve the problem)😶‍🌫️.

 

What was in the file? (!)

I'm so sorry for you ... what VWX version are you ?

it works fine here.

just have to right click on the marionnette style  folder and import the folder in your working project and that' s done you can use the plug in.

May someone from vectorworks as to try it .