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Tom Klaber

Phantom Elements in My Sections

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This issue should be corrected as of 2019 Sp1.

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The section seems to be displaying cuts of elements it should not.  When I go into Edit Section In Place - those objects are not there - they only show up in the section viewport.  Most of them appear to be components of groups of symbols with different classes than their container object - as if the section disregards container objects and breaks everything down when gauging if to display or not.  

I have been able to eliminate most of them, but there are these few persistent objects and I can not find the source geometry that is causing them.  

 

Is anybody else experiencing this? 

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Yes.   Still in VW2018.  I got this for the first time the other day.   They appeared to be old objects that had been deleted awhile ago and no longer existed in the model but somehow 'stuck' in the viewport.   Others in my office informed me that they had seen this a few times and figured out that if you duplicate the layer the phantom object was once on then the object mysteriously appears in the duplicate layer and you are able to select it and delete it.   Bazaar.  Not sure how they discovered this but it was helpful in a pinch.

 

At that point you should be able to delete the original layer.  I believe the duplicate layer keeps all the original layer settings in viewports, etc.

 

Joe

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On 9/25/2018 at 12:22 PM, Tom Klaber said:

The section seems to be displaying cuts of elements it should not.  When I go into Edit Section In Place - those objects are not there - they only show up in the section viewport.  Most of them appear to be components of groups of symbols with different classes than their container object - as if the section disregards container objects and breaks everything down when gauging if to display or not.  

I have been able to eliminate most of them, but there are these few persistent objects and I can not find the source geometry that is causing them.  

 

Is anybody else experiencing this? 

 

Hi Tom,

 

I assume you're seeing this in VW 2019?
This is a known issue in 2019 and being looked at.

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I opened a project created in 2018 and had this problem again after SP1. An element that was on a separate class was still showing up in a Section and Detail VP despite that class not being turned on in the VP. I had to create a new layer and move it since it was a demo item.

 

Frustrating.

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I simply removed all my 3D furniture from the model because I could not keep those items from showing up in the sections.  I have not had the time to add it back in to see if SP1 fixed the issue....

Based on this - I will wait until SP2...

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@leecalisti. @Tom Klaber,

 

This problem should be resolved in 2019 SP1.

I looked at some test files and no longer see the issue.

 

Lee, I hate to keep asking for files, but I'd love to see a file with the issue. Perhaps some setting is causing the issue?

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Matt,

Actually in the file I sent you, I moved furniture objects to a layer titled "1-First Floor FFE" because elements were showing up in the section foreground and background, even though I had turned off those classes. You could copy or move them back onto the "1-First Floor" layer and refresh the section (AA or BB). 

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Hi Lee,

Thanks for the info. Here's what I found (in VW 2019 SP1):

In Section AA and BB, I turned on the "1-First Floor FFE" layer containing the furniture and updated the viewports. Section AA looked like it's working correctly. Section BB also looked good, except for one item: The bed mattress from the bed symbol is displaying and should not. Submitting bug now...

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Matt, thank you. Originally I had the furniture on the other layer. I tend to use one layer per floor, but have many classes. I added the FFE layer to deal with this bug.

Thanks again,

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15 hours ago, leecalisti said:

Matt, thank you.

 

No problem, Lee.

I thank you for pointing me to the file. It pointed us to a problem the fix in SP1 did not correct.

 

15 hours ago, leecalisti said:

Originally I had the furniture on the other layer. I tend to use one layer per floor, but have many classes. I added the FFE layer to deal with this bug.

 

Right. I was going to copy the objects over to the other layer, but turning it on was easier. 😉

Either way should give the same results.

 

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