AN Design Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 After joining all exterior Walls they randomly un-join I go back and rejoin (all are L joints) and then another corner will un-join. This is now happening on all walls drawn. Random unjoin. Fix a joint and another wall will unjoin. Quit VW and restart and it begins the same unjoin again randomly Mac OSX 10.6.1 w/ VW 2010 Designer w/ renderworks Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 It may be a bug, but maybe this will resolve when you turn of the option for automatic wall joins? Quote Link to comment
AN Design Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 Automatic Wall Joins are turned off. Getting additional odd behavior on walls from files that were orig. created in VW2009 and opened w/ version 2010 Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 I am getting all kinds of odd wall behaviour in both newly created files and old 2009 files. Auto wall join is off: * I can no longer create a clean T join with the join component tool. I get an error saying "walls must be joined before components can be joined". In 2009 I could create a clean joint with 1 command. Now I have to use T wall join, then T component join. * T joins at corners, where you have 2 exterior walls L shaped, and want an interior partition aligned with the interior face of the GWB are problematic. The joint seems to revert to some odd state at will. There seems to be a lot of bugs. Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I am going to have to go back to 2009. I can't get any consistency in the wall joins, and it is driving me crazy. I have joined the same corners about 20 times, following the help menu directions exactly, and when I open the file again some of the corners and mid wall joins are gone or screwed up. Not impressed. Quote Link to comment
J Lucas Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Have you called tech support? That would have been the first thing I would have done. VW tech support is excellent; they have saved me lots of time on various issues. Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Tech support, so far has not been helpful. The wall joins keep coming apart on ALL my drawings. Quote Link to comment
J Lucas Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I have a three level house design that I created in VW2009 and imported into 2010. When I first looked at the plans in 2010 there were a few (4-5) walls intersections that had come undone. I fixed these and now all the wall intersections seem to be holding through repeated use and openings of the file. I have been continuing to develop this design in 2010. My sense has been that the lack of glitches in this translated file is remarkable. Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) I am happy for you. I, however, am in hell and regretting the upgrade so far. This re-occurs consistently. Edited September 24, 2009 by rb-arch Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 No response from technical support - so much for that. I just want to know if this is a bug or not. I can't be the only one having this problem! I have it on the laptop too. I was going to re-install everything but I don't see the point since both machines are affected. Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) I watched the video regarding enhanced wall joins. http://www.nemetschek.net/designer/designer-feature-list.php?feature=architectural-features What I found odd was that it showed joining walls on top of each other rather than joining components. Maybe with the new parametric constraints the way to build complex walls is with multiple constrained simple walls? Edited September 27, 2009 by brudgers Quote Link to comment
Administrator JuanP Posted September 28, 2009 Administrator Share Posted September 28, 2009 For all of you having problems with wall joins, could you send us an email to tech@vectorworks.net subject "wall joins" with a test file and the following information: Vectorworks serial#: OS: Please specify if the file comes from a previous VW version. Thanks, Juan Almansa Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee CGrayeNNA Posted September 28, 2009 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) * I can no longer create a clean T join with the join component tool. I get an error saying "walls must be joined before components can be joined". In 2009 I could create a clean joint with 1 command. Now I have to use T wall join, then T component join. This is by design. Due to some new features, we had to remove this automatic behavior. But did you know that if you have the auto join walls preference on and give your walls core components in either their Wall Styles or in the Wall Preferencs, you can have your wall components join automatically when you join the walls? * T joins at corners, where you have 2 exterior walls L shaped, and want an interior partition aligned with the interior face of the GWB are problematic. The joint seems to revert to some odd state at will. This is a known issue that has been fixed for the first service pack. But please still do submit your issues as JPA requested so that we can test out your files and make sure everything is working correctly. Thank you. Edited September 28, 2009 by CGrayeNNA Quote Link to comment
michael john williams Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I hope walls join better - this is a main reason for getting 2010 - especially the ability for wall components to join. Also hope they have sorted out walls to roof problems, such as going back or undoing to flat top walls if roof to walls needs to be revised. Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I appreciate the replies. Stress level diminishing! Quote Link to comment
twonetis Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) For what it is worth, I'm a very new (and very enthusiastic) user and am having the same problems you describe with *any* kind of wall join in 2010. Unfortunately, I am so new to the VW software (yet having used Revit 09 and 10,ACAD Architecture,TurboCad,Cinema4D,Bricscad9 Pro,Rhino4, and others for years now..) that I don't quite know how to point to the problem clearly except that I've spent many hours looking at tutorials, links, making new files and now just about to try a re-install. Definitely frustrating. Wall join just does not seem to work as described in the "Getting Started" tutorial and un-does itself without warning or any predictable outcome. If I was a seasoned user, I'd know what to check. I figure that I've got about another 23 days left to bail out... I hope I don't have to. I'll call tech suppt. next and hope my luck is good. I really do hope it is just that I'm missing something. Thanks, two EDITED: Tech Support was excellent. Problem solved - just another case of user/beginner error. Edited October 2, 2009 by twonetis Quote Link to comment
TaiPan Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I've got issues with wall joining as well... It seams for some odd reason, when I join two walls (say two interior walls) other completely unrelated walls, in my case exterior walls on the other side of the building, come unjoined and reposition (!!!) themselves in new locations within the drawing or completely disapear! A very unwelcome result... aarrggg..... any help? Quote Link to comment
lineweight Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I have an issue with curved walls and keeping them connected. I have a VW 2009 file that has been updated to 2010. A] My walls aren't connecting in this document and B] If I create a new document with a curved wall, then move another wall in that curved wall it becomes disconnected. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I've got issues with wall joining as well... It seams for some odd reason, when I join two walls (say two interior walls) other completely unrelated walls, in my case exterior walls on the other side of the building, come unjoined and reposition (!!!) themselves in new locations within the drawing or completely disapear! A very unwelcome result... aarrggg..... any help? Welcome to my world! It definitely disrupts your work, for now I am trying to ignore them while we wait for the patch. I think they want you to send them the files. I have to say though, my walls don't disappear. Quote Link to comment
michael john williams Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 We had similar problems in 2008 and no patch came and had hoped 2010 would have solved it some 2 years later! Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 * I can no longer create a clean T join with the join component tool. I get an error * T joins at corners, where you have 2 exterior walls L shaped, and want an interior partition aligned with the interior face of the GWB are problematic. The joint seems to revert to some odd state at will. This is a known issue that has been fixed for the first service pack. But please still do submit your issues as JPA requested so that we can test out your files and make sure everything is working correctly. Thank you. Well, this issue has been there as long as I can remember. The solution to it is: don't use T joins on L joins. Do it the other way: Extend one to the interior part of the others, then component-join the two other walls to that wall. You'll have a clean wall join, and the BIG BONUS of this is that in the render method Hidden lines, you don't get a line where the walls join. Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Are you even using 2010? I have tried every combination of joining the walls, and also have to JOIN the walls first, before you can use component join which is a change from 2009. Quote Link to comment
lineweight Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I'm getting weird stuff happening with my wall joins on curved walls. In plan, it's a nice clean connection. In hidden line, apparently my joins are blowing through the wall. :\ Anyone else experiencing this? Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I just updated to 2010 service pack 1. No change in the wall joins, they still don't work as described in this thread. Quote Link to comment
rb-arch Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Has anyone's service pack upgrade fixed the wall join issue? Mine still behaves the same way. Quote Link to comment
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