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This may be a stupid question, but I am not sure how to get a double-sided fireplace to show correctly in 3D. I can insert the fp into only one wall, but I need it to be inserted into two walls. When you do a walk-through the building, the fp is shown on one side only, but not on the other side.

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No guarantee, but you could try using a 'cased opening' in the wall, then put the fireplace in (but do not insert into wall).

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Yea, that worked, thanx cipesdesign. But really, are those extra steps necessary? I think if NNA is going to put a certain plug-in object or symbol (fireplace) into the software, why not make sure that all bases are covered!? Does anybody there have any architectural design and/or drafting experience? Doesn't seem so.

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Robert, I think what he is asking for is for the "2 sided" fireplace to be centered in the wall, ie: for an equal amount of the box to project out of each side of the wall. An additional "offset" setting might be useful here...

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Peter, I don't disagree with this, and this can be added in a straightforward way, I think. But this is centered in a (single) wall. The original post said something about "inserted into two walls". This made no sense to me, so I asked for a clarification, which never came.

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Robert,

There have been a few cases where I have had to insert a single fireplace in two opposing walls. This type of fireplace can be found at Heatilator ST36D See Through 36" D Style fireplace.

All I did was create a hybrid symbol and install to one wall then create another opening to match the size of the symbol for the other wall. In essence it required two seperate operations.

This type of procedure mantains the integrity of the wall structure for proper framing.

Pete A

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Yeah, he did say two walls. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he meant into two sides of the same wall...

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DoughD, if what you mean is what Peter is illustrating above, then the "work-around" is to create (outside of a wall) a double-sided fireplace, then make it into a symbol, with the insertion point -not- at the PIO insertion point, but at the object center.

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Robert, that is a more elegant workaround than the one I suggested, because only one object needs to be moved instead of two. Thanks!

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I think panthony is close to what I'm trying to accomplish. How do you post a stinkin picture to this forum??!!!

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Doug,

Here is what I do to install a double-sided fireplace.

First thing is to have the symbol built to the exact manufacturers specifications.

See Attached VWX file (symbol in walls)

Select this to down load vectorworks 2008 file 2SidedFireplace.vwx

Here is the fireplace plan view

Fireplace2.jpg

Here is an iso showing the symbol side

Fireplace1.jpg

Here is an image showing the cased opening side with the walls transparent so you can see the opening jamb

Fireplace3.jpg

The reason for the gawdy blue color is so I don't forget to build and install a mantel or hearth.

Hope this makes some sense...

Pete A.

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Yea that's exactly the look I'm going for, thanx for the input!!

I think NNA needs to look into this a little more, maybe giving an option for the fireplace to create two openings for both walls; would save that extra step of work...

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But how did you post those pictures?? I can't find any help or any place where it will let me do that.

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Yeah. I guess I am. Oh come on, you know those guys have done amazing things, I'm sure there's a way to get this to happen!

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Doug,

Posting pictures is no secret...here's how

You need to have a place on the net to store the pictures...they are not stored on this forum. Once you have the pics put on the net just select the "Enter an Image" button on the tool bar of the post window.

Paste the file path to the picture on the web hit ok and bob's your uncle.

Pete A.

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Actually you can post an image right to NNA's server. First, click on the "REPLY" button (as this doesn't work in the "Quick Reply" window) then click on "File Manager", then navigate to your image (I usually put mine on the desktop to make it easy to find). The rest is self-explantory (I think).

Edited by CipesDesign

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Has anyone heard anything else about this dbl-sided fireplace deal? Is NNA looking into this? I think normally a double-sided fireplace is done this way, is it not? (see my picture one thread above). I'm still having to create a cased opening for the second wall.

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3 Sided Fireplace.vwxHi There,

 

I'm late to the party but found this post helpful with my same problem. 

I was attempting a 3 sided fireplace but also encountered the same issue with a double sided. 

My solution was to make a custom wall thickness that included the cavity for the fireplace (20" wall thickness)

Like Robert suggested above, I made the insertion point in the center of the symbol. 

 

I included my working file for example. Seems like its a good solution

Edited by Partridge Design

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