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Why can't Wall Styles support components stacked vertically atop one another?


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Wall styles should be able to have different components (brick, CMU, concrete, wood framing, etc) stacked vertically atop one another.  For example, an 8' high cast-in-place concrete wall supporting a 6' tall CMU wall directly above with a ribbon strip window above that should be able to be a single wall style that cleans up to other walls and has all of the behavior of a regular wall.  After much experimentation and a posting to the forum, it seems like the only option to a single style is to manually stack completely separate walls with individual "styles" atop one another and manage all of the alignment and other mechanical issues by hand.

 

Walls with different components stacked atop one another is a common detail and VW ought to either be able to handle them as a single style (preferred) or VW ought to prominently publish the work-around and include it in your various VW University articles and PDF training manuals. 

 

The ability to handle "stacked" components smoothly and fluently style is really a necessity of a modern CAD/design software.

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This keeps cropping up - I just happened to put a roadmap request on this item earlier today.

 

I'll summarise below - Is what I'm suggesting too radical, or is it just basics.

  1. The ability to create a wall containing all the necessary components required to construct the wall up to and including say the outside cavity.
  2. Being able to 'stick' a cladding (of our choice) on to the structure - with the ability to control both vertical and horizontal extents), but when doing so the cladding recognises openings like doors and windows.

A great number of 'cladding' variations happen at locations the designer has chosen specifically to create a specific outcome, sometimes we just want to experiment to see how the design will look with different elevational treatments before deciding on the final options. These don't always tie-in with a predetermined formula.

 

This is technically achievable at the moment by excluding the external cladding material from the wall structure and placing a 'cladding' wall directly in front of the main wall, but then all openings etc. have to be manually added in - and it gets very messy.  One advantage though is that wall joining and component joining becomes much better, as we are in control where walls join together and not a piece of software

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Hi there! I'm fairly new to Vectorworks (about 3 months in) after exploring the usual BIM alternatives. We specialise in designing and supplying bespoke Architectural Residential Oak Frame Houses and have been quite impressed with VW so far. That said, we’ve noticed some fundamental modelling limitations that could make a big difference for us.

One example is handling walls with multiple materials and profiles stacked vertically - a common scenario in residential work, like a Brick Plinth base, Rendered Ground Floor, and Timber Weatherboarded First Floor. At the moment, we’re using a workaround involving separate Wall Types managed through Design Layers but where more than one Wall Type is in a Design Layer, we are controlling the "overwriting" issue by grouping and/or locking, but it’s not the most efficient or ideal solution. Happy to hear any other solutions or workarounds.

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@Goughy-01 Welcome to the forum.

 

Grouping is how I've done it.  When doors or windows need to span walls I make a duplicate door or window that is just an opening and don't schedule it.

 

I have zero inside knowledge, but I do know that the wall tool has been completely rebuilt over the last few versions to lay the foundation for many different feature improvements.  We're just starting to see those come into VW now.  I don't know, but I suspect stacking components are being talked about.

 

There is a road map here:  https://www.vectorworks.net/en-US/public-roadmap

 

You can see what's under development and voice your thoughts and priorities.

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