Window/Door tag style in Window/Door style options

[KIT KOLLMEYER]

We've had serious issues with window and door tags in viewports. They occasionally become unlinked or move locations. It's a well known VW bug that we're dealing with less, but it still happens. So on a new small project I'm trying out the 'show tag in 2d' and 'show tag in 3d' function in the window/door style dialog box instead of placing the tags in viewport annotations. The problem with this method: there is no way to use tag styles. I want to use our custom tag styles to match our standards. It seems like there could be a way in the dialog box to select a custom tag style.

 

Thanks

Edited July 25, 2023 by KIT KOLLMEYER
added screen shot

[KIT KOLLMEYER]

I've played around with this a bit more and found more issues with this method of tagging windows and doors. Here's a screen video: https://www.loom.com/share/ea4cf0f4a22c4543aee57948545c80b3?sid=9632307a-495a-4070-a665-03d592c7a3f2

 

Feature requests:

- Allow tags placed this way to move with a pick point in annotation, just like grid line objects do

- Don't show vertical line of tag in elevation views (you can see the issue in the video link above)

- Allow for custom tag styles to be selected in the dialog box

 

If these are implemented I think we'd switch to this method completely.

 

Thanks

Kit

[E|FA]

I believe the tags within the Window and Door PIOs are being deprecated and the currently recommended workflow is to use Data Tags.  You can still use the old system, but you might find Data Tags work better.

 

https://app-help.vectorworks.net/2023/eng/VW2023_Guide/Annotation2/Adding_data_tags_and_labels.htm#TOC_Using_data_tags

https://university.vectorworks.net/course/view.php?id=1632

[KIT KOLLMEYER]

Actually no, we haven’t found manually placing data tags to be better. We’ve been using data tags almost exclusively since they were introduced. But there are well documented issues with data tags randomly coming unlinked. It’s something we’ve spent many hours with tech support on, and eventually just accepted that there is no solution. Three or four years ago it was so bad we had to type window numbers on top of tags just to get permit sets out. The issue happens less with the current version, but it still rears its ugly head once in a while, usually at an inconvenient time. Last week I issued a construction revision that cleared out all tag data on the entire project. You wouldn’t believe how much time it took to fix.
 

Also, manually placing tags is very un-BIM. Wouldn’t it be great if all our styles were set up and tags are automatically placed? I honestly don’t see the downside to implementing these feature requests. 

[Tom W.]

6 minutes ago, KIT KOLLMEYER said:

manually placing tags is very un-BIM. Wouldn’t it be great if all our styles were set up and tags are automatically placed?

 

There is actually a precedent for this: Spaces. Space Labels were replaced by Data Tags but the auto-insertion functionality within the Space Style was retained. I personally choose not to have them automatically insert as I don't want the tags on the design layer but if it's possible for Spaces then why not do it for Doors/Windows too? But they'd still be Data Tags of course + subject to the un-linking problems you describe...

[KIT KOLLMEYER]

For anyone following along, this video I recorded just this morning, will explain the most frustrating apparently unsolvable issue with data tags, and why I even started looking at tags within the PIOs. https://www.loom.com/share/967fdadf922d438eaca258ed8bb5b112?sid=5dd3d79c-3071-4bae-aaac-887919072ce7

 

[KIT KOLLMEYER]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how the tags would unlink if they're coming directly from the window/door dialogue.

[E|FA]

Video definitely explains the issue, and I'm dealing with the same thing right now with a permit submittal due tomorrow.