@PhilDon yep every demon has its day. I have a dislike for Autodesk and their subscription model, once they suck you in its difficult to move away. There was a plugin developed for Rhino, called T-Splines, it was very popular with the class A surface modellers, Autodesk dangled the developers a huge cash carrot, guess what happened, Autodesk killed the plugin and software, took the tech they needed, and implemented it into their own software, many users left high and dry (It didn't affect me, but it enhanced my dislike for their big corporate long arm crushing what they saw as a threat) π€£