digitalcarbon Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm just going to start with a number. it will likely get adjusted for 125 m3 it takes 100 hours this includes everything that is not modeling. if you had to model it again would take 1/3 less time Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) ??? You really mean that you model everything by hand then and not using any of the available BIM objects in VW? 100 hours is so much. I know when you first start with drawing everything in 3D, at first you'll do quite a long time for it, but once you get the hang of it, it goes faster. I don't draw that much anymore, but when I stopped drawing everyday, I ended with 2-3 days for a complete design/application, fully 3D, that's 24 hours, includes renderings of the interiors too, though with generic furniture. This short time is also the result of a great setup of classes/layers and a huge library of everything I needed. These last resources are invaluable to draw quick and get good results, and yes, you'll put a lot of time in them, but you can build it project by project. I always added some extra stuff with each project, and that way, the time got shorter. But 100 hours? I don't know what projects you do, but imho, that's too much. Also, it depends on the type of project of course. Edited December 18, 2015 by Dieter @ DWorks Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'm looking to try to refine the number. please take a look at the images below. this id for 16 D sized sheets it took me 106 hours for this 3d house. now this is bigger than 125 m3, what I'm trying to do is say "put a mass around all 3d objects being 12" chubby (offset)" then get rid of all the space in between i.e. collapse the house in xyz to get a dense pack, but allowing for the the 12" offset for wiggle room and now how big is the house? i need to do that an see if i can fit it into a 125 m3. so that is what i mean. trying to visualize density, a residential bathroom is more dense that a home depot but if i were to collapse the home depot (xyz) then what would the density be? I'm trying look at things as densities (xyz) vs square foot or densities of different materials Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 the "100 hrs" includes all the changes etc. maybe your right and its high maybe 50 hrs Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 the "100 hrs" includes all the changes etc. maybe your right and its high maybe 50 hrs Aha, changes.... Some never request changes, others change 10 times. The 24 hours I am speaking of is a single whole design. Changes are done after that if needed, they are hard to estimate. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 this keep coming in to mind (see image) the first block is what it takes me to get the first video out then the projects breaks into smaller volumes etc I'm thinking that there is a type of "Moore's Law" going on here i'm looking for help if anyone is good at math Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 ok, maybe the last cube (64) is not 35hrs per cube but say 10hrs so 1st cube = 35 hrs 2nd (8x35) =280 hrs 3rd (64x10) = 640 hrs Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 @digitalmechanics: I really like your signature: You cannot manage what you have not measured You can't measure all things, so this means that there are many things that can't be managed, like writing software etc.... At some level, I think it's totally true, but it doesn't always need to be measured. Working agile remove this need, and you end up with a much better product/result which the client really wants, + the client decides when it's finished. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 one thing is for sure. its exponential a = 1st level of detail b = 2nd c = 3rd d = 4th b could be 2 hours or 35 hours. depending on project same with c & d this is averages Quote Link to comment
bcd Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 2^(3*(l-1) ) where l = index level Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 one thing is for sure. its exponential a = 1st level of detail b = 2nd c = 3rd d = 4th b could be 2 hours or 35 hours. depending on project same with c & d this is averages But why all the details. In most cases, it isn't needed. Drawings are mere representations you know. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 i'm not drawing, i'm modeling/managing space. so in short i started a year ago with an over all mass (dtm, concrete slabs & a few bldg massing) that then divided up into smaller masses (about 8). those 8 have divided into smaller volumes of space that needs management (ok maybe not the full 64 cube, I'm only modeling the critical areas) i have produced no drawings to date (ok maybe 6). just videos showing conflicts or intent. i maybe asked to make some shop drawings for the custom stuff. that will bring me into the 512 cube. granted not everything need shop drawings but some will Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 here is an example of exponential Quote Link to comment
Dieter @ DWorks Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) i'm not drawing, i'm modeling/managing space. In the end, modelling is done to get drawings or other representations, like your videos. Not all details need to be there, just enough to have the intention clear. I also don't draw anymore, but I extract the drawings from the model... Edited December 22, 2015 by Dieter @ DWorks Quote Link to comment
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