Feature in wall above door display

[Flair-Studio]

Hi,

I have a problem with a feature in wall just above the door, it shows correctly in 3d but should be hidden in plan, instead I see a chunk of wall in the middle of the door which I would have to hide in some way... 

Thank you

Federico

[Tom W.]

I have played with a Feature in Wall + can't get rid of the 2D representation when inserted above a Door. So you might need to use a symbol inserted in the Wall instead. If you just want to cut a recess in the face of the Wall use a 'wall hole component' symbol: put the hole geometry in the Wall Hole Component part of the symbol + just a 3D Loci in the 3D component + enable 'Insert in Walls'.

 

What exactly are you doing there: you are using 'Create Wall Recess...' to punch the recesses in the Walls then rendering by object + applying a different texture to the holes? Or is that geometry inside the recesses?

[Flair-Studio]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for coming back!

I used wall recess and twicked the OIP to get the recess above the door. Please note I already did the same process about a month ago (I resumed recently to work on this project) and it worked nicely as per below screenshots... I tried to set exactly the same values in the OIP but the recess above the side door just doesn't dislpay correctly... Do you have any suggestion other than going down the symbol route? Just because there are so many recess features in these walls that I don't want to have to create that many symbols !

[Tom W.]

Normally for a Feature in Wall you can set the cut plane (in the OIP) + how the break displays (e.g. 'Full break with caps') + get it looking the way you want it in Top/Plan. But when I tried it over a Door - to replicate your example - I got the same results as you + the OIP settings had no effect. So the only way I could have the recess in 3D but hidden in Top/Plan was to do it as a symbol, but this would only be required in the case of the recess above the Door: if the others work fine you can leave them as they are. But I'm not sure whether the symbol version of the recess will render in the same way...

 

Or another option you could try: place the Feature in Wall object in its own 'Invisible' class (which is turned off). This seems to turn off the top/plan representation (over the Door) but leave visible the 3D hole.

[Flair-Studio]

On 12/16/2023 at 7:35 PM, Pat Stanford said:

If this was my model I probably would have split it up. But getting multiple revisions of STEP files that had to be imported and cleaned up limited my options for doing that.

 

It also didn't help that the models of some of the components were excessively detailed.  What we needed was an external fit up model so we could make sure everything fit. What we got were motors that modeled everything including the bearings and windings inside the housing. The electrical panels include all of the internal mounting and door hardware. One of the value actuator (the size of a football) had a bounding box over 1000 m long due to the huge radius of some surface in the manufacturers logo that was engraved (and included the 0.1mm fillets at the bottom of the logo).

 

Add to that the inclusion of full detail fasteners (over 2000) and you can see why it is a very large and slow model.  But we managed to make it work ok.

 

I would have posted the VGX link, but I can't get it to open.  Took all (or maybe more) the 24 hour maximum processing time on VW Cloud to generate.

 

Good luck on your building. In your case bringing in references is probably the way to go.

 

But if you get too detailed, you will always be big and slow.

 

Had a client one time who insisted on modeling reality, including the hanging wires behind the pictures on the wall.  When he complained about it being slow we simply turned off all the things that couldn't be seen (that he paid to have modeled) and it ran fast enough for him to be happy.

 

<Soapbox>

The purpose of the model is not to simulate reality. The purpose of the model and drawings is to communicate information. You don't need to be any more detailed than is required to successfully communicate the information that needs to be transferred.

 

I was taught to never dimension the same thing in multiple places. So if you Dim the doors and windows in the plan view, don't also dim the horizontal location also in the evaluation. All that does is provide a chance for an inconsistency.

 

I have my little niche and I don't know a lot about entertainment lighting or architecture. But, it sure seems like a lot of the complaints I see here on the forum are the result of people wanting more accuracy and detail than is truly required to convey intent.

</Soapbox>

 

My $0.02. In no way represents Vectorworks Corporate. I am just a volunteer moderator.

Pat

 

1 hour ago, Tom W. said:

Normally for a Feature in Wall you can set the cut plane (in the OIP) + how the break displays (e.g. 'Full break with caps') + get it looking the way you want it in Top/Plan. But when I tried it over a Door - to replicate your example - I got the same results as you + the OIP settings had no effect. So the only way I could have the recess in 3D but hidden in Top/Plan was to do it as a symbol, but this would only be required in the case of the recess above the Door: if the others work fine you can leave them as they are. But I'm not sure whether the symbol version of the recess will render in the same way...

 

Or another option you could try: place the Feature in Wall object in its own 'Invisible' class (which is turned off). This seems to turn off the top/plan representation (over the Door) but leave visible the 3D hole.

Hi Tom:

The invisible class was the option to go for me as it resolved the issue nicely, thanks ! !

 

[Tom W.]

51 minutes ago, Flair-Studio said:

 

Hi Tom:

The invisible class was the option to go for me as it resolved the issue nicely, thanks ! !

 

 

A lot easier! Cool.