New viewport is not selectable.

[Bruce Kieffer]

This is another quirky interface issue. I create a new viewport on a new sheet layer, and I can't select the viewport until I go to another viewport on another sheet layer, and then return to the newly created viewport and sheet layer.

[Haydenovative]

Hi Bruce,

This is not something I can reproduce, perhaps its a mac issue? Im on windows. Does it happen with every drawing? Could you get a blank document to replicate it and post that, Ill give it a crack here.

[Bruce Kieffer]

Hayden,

That was a good suggestion. It does not happen in a new document. I tested a few of my other older drawings, and no problem there. It does happen with two files that I am currently working on. I will watch and try to determine what causes the problem.

[PVA - Admin]

I am not able to reproduce this here on Mac OS X 10.10, 10.9 or Windows 8.1.

After rebooting the machine, does the same behavior occur?

Edited January 13, 2015 by JimW

[Bruce Kieffer]

Jim,

I will email you one of my files that this happens with.

[PVA - Admin]

The viewport is being created in the None class, which in this file is turned off. (So the bug may actually be that you are able to see the viewport at all in the first place, rather than its selectability being a problem.)

If you enable the None class, then try creating new viewports, do they work as expected?

[Bruce Kieffer]

It does work. So if by default the viewport is created in the none class, then why doesn't the none class automatically get turned on with the sheet layer?

[PVA - Admin]

I can submit that as a request if you like, normally class settings should be left as you set them. However, there are instances that warn you about geometry being hidden in disabled classes, this is definitely a case where such a warning should appear.

[PVA - Admin]

Submitted.

[Bruce Kieffer]

Jim,

Thanks for submitting this request. It's really odd behavior. If the none class if off when the viewport is created, then the none class is off the first time the viewport shows, and that's why the viewport is not selectable, even though it can be seen. Go away and return to the viewport, and then the none class is turned on and the viewport is selectable.

[Dimitec]

I'm currently using VW 2014 and I have the same issue.

But my question is : why does the new viewports are now created in the None class ?

I recently switched from the 2009 version to the 2014 and back then, when we created a viewport, it was directly created in the active class.

Is there a way to change that setting ? I didn't find a solution yet.

Please take note that English is not my mother tongue thus I'm sorry for any mistakes...

[PVA - Admin]

Confirmed, in 2009 it creates in the active class and in 2014/2015 it always creates in None.

EDIT: Looks like this was changed in 2013, users were irritated by having to keep an eye on the active class to make sure they didn't lose viewports.

The assumption being that the None class will always be one, so the viewports will not be lost. (I always advise users to leave None ON all the time, forever.)

Edited January 16, 2015 by JimW

[Dimitec]

Ok, thanks for your quick answer.

In my opinion, it was really useful

But now that I know it, I will not have any troubles with the creation of viewports.

[Bruce Kieffer]

Mike OZ wrote to me and made the same suggestion about always keeping the none class visible. Problem with that is often I option click in the Navigation palette to make all classes invisible, and then I click the one I want to see.

Knowing what is happening has solved my problem, but I really feel the correct solution is that if Vectorworks is going to put the viewport in the none class by default, then the none class should be made visible in the sheet layer by default too.

[PVA - Admin]

Agreed, either that or allow the user to lock a specific classes visibility so they can still use the make all visible/invisible shortcuts. Submitting a few more requests to clean this sticking point up.