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  1. after confirming that the DLVP's position is determined by - origin in source file + object positions - origin in reference file i need a strategy (other than dragging the DLVP) to make it return to its correct location. is there a way to tell the DLVP to return to its original position, or resetting the dlvp without re-creating it? If it is glitching or has somehow been moved unknowingly it would give me a method to implement to correct it thanks
  2. hi bruce thanks for taking the time to respond in such a detail manner. a lot of what you have said made sense to me, and i suppose has also made me realise that i could have stated somethings in my original post better. the DLVP is moving in the reference file when i update the reference, but the origin of both files is staying the same, and im not physically moving the DLVP around in space the design layer of the reference file or the source file. The point you make (highlighted bold above) is how i understood DLVPS to work and that is how i set up my file so it was originally 'correct' and this is what i have formed the basis of my drawing around - when it then moves it becomes problematic. strangely, sometimes it is located correctly when i open the file, and other times its not in the correct location but im not moving it in either instance. does this sound like a glitch?
  3. bump. if ive encountered an issue that nobody else has come across before, can anyone please suggest my next port of call? thanks
  4. bump. can i clarify any more? anyone else had this issue? sorry to be persistent. its really troublesome at present and i dont know how to correct. thanks again
  5. hi all, more fuel to the fire to explain the scenario. - I have a building plan with a user origin (File 1) ( - 405001813 , - 287134229) this has the building drawn to world coordaintes. - I want to reference this via a design layer viewport into another file so i can draw my details over it. (File 2) This file also has a user origin ( - 405001813 , - 287134229) File 2 has been working for a few months with several reference updates. When i created the DLVP, it was in automatically in position and i thought all was well. Now, however when I updated the dlvp the last time it moved position. (screen shot A . It is appearing correctly except its location and is deliberately pixelated for uploading to this forum) If i select the DLVP, the properties panel shows its x & y as matching the user origin numbers but does not have the negative value infront of it numbers. if you look at the cross hairs it is clearly nowhere near the origin. This is the crux my problem. If i manually move it back into correct position (re the crosshairs) it becomes correct again in the properties box but this doesnt seem very scientific. To me, it seems to be the issue of the two origins adding up. On a traditional reference you can set it to 'ignore source user origin' but i dont have that option here. What i would like to establish is 1) what controls /overides a DLVP's position 2) what would cause it to move in the first place? 3) what determines where a DLVP is positioned when you first create one. Im hesitant to physical move the viewport as i have several files like this and dont want the same fate to happen to them, and end up moving all my viewports manually each time this happens many thanks for your time and sticking with me
  6. hi all is my question not clear? anything that i can clarify to help people understand my issue? thanks
  7. hi all me again, design layer viewports, again.. origins again! 2d user here. i'd like to know what determines a DLVPs position within the model space when a user origin is active. the reason for this is because my DLVPs keep flying into strange locations. With traditional referencing when this happens i can make sure my user origin is set correctly, and this normally pulls everything back into alignment. There is also the 'ignore source user origin' to stop the two origins 'adding together' which is often the problem i encounter in other members of staffs files. with DLVPs you can physically drag the viewport around in the design layer . Is there a way to set it to essentially 'where it should be' ? there seems to be no way of anchoring them. (you an lock them but they move when the origins change) im really trying to understand the quirks of vectorworks but getting very frustrated everytime the DLVP moves with seemingly no explanation. many thanks
  8. ive just tried your second method. I had tried it before but it wasnt working . I just got it to work by trying in an unrotated view which seemed to help. Select a viewport and run Modify > Convert > Convert Copy to Lines. this is a good back stop and essentially gives me what we need as a worse case scenario . The only reason its a worse case its that it loses class information, and i'd have to do this for each apartment every time i wanted to export something. so circa 30 times. if there was a way i could export this info in the same way without individually selecting each viewport i think that could work. mark - can pick this up in the direct messages if easiest? thanks
  9. mark thanks for the detailed response! I appreciate its difficult to understand without seeing the file. I perhaps could have given more information but was in the middle of red mist haha whilst trying to get some documents out. we produce modular residential buildings which have multiple layout options internally which are determined by customer specification after work on site has started. what we needed was a plan or symbol that has all possible permeations of layouts within it so that we can turn and and off the correct layers to show the design information on an apartment by apartment basis. Previously we have done this in symbols but it was problematic if we needed to change something that was typical to all options, such as a wall build up or services routes . I thought i had been clever by building our files around DLVPs because it meant all the design info was saved once 'in place' and it was much easier to edit several layout options at once, in a way that a symbol couldnt do. it avoided the need to check all symbols were correctly referenced and updated. our file structure looks like - master design library . typical floor plan options built in layers ( a different layer for each possible internal variation, kitchen types etc) - site file (with sheets) - a series of DLVPs referencing the above file set out to real world coordinates in the configuration of the building and all annotations on sheets. the trouble is when i export it, it seems to have so much info in the DLVPs that it shows more than what we are seeing on the sheet later, and almost x-rays the building so we see layers that we dont want to see in the dwg. (ie a kitchen from a residential 1st floor layer, gets lumped on the ground floor which might be commercial) I suppose (not having access to autocad) im not entirely sure what the consultants are seeing. I only get to see it by importing the exported dwg back into vectorworks which might be making it more complicated .I end up with a series of layer links, which become very confusing and easy to accidentally manipulate to show the wrong information unless someone knows the building. i will have a trial of all the above and get back to you.
  10. so it looks like its impossible and ive wasted months down the wrong path is there a way to essentially convert a DLVP as you see on screen into a 'sea of parts' of just polygons?
  11. i'm slightly tearing my hair out here as a lot of hours have gone into this system. essentially it seems to export A) our plan as a layer B) all the viewport crops of the plan variations as 'layer crops' the issue is really B. because this causes confusion as people wont understand which variation goes where. really we would need to export a dwg without the additional layer crops. anyone successfully exporting dlvps? help pleas
  12. hi all, as per the title really. Im looking for the simplest way to export DLVPs in a way that can be opened in autocad. i really want the simplest way of exporting 2d information shown on a sheet layer , which is a viewport looking directly at a design layer containing information from a series of a dlvps. however when i export the dwg im getting feedback that its very complicated for other consultants to import that information in a way that represents what is shown on screen at our end. there are so many ways to export im struggling to find the option i need. has anybody got any tricks for a simple export ? to give further context (if it helps) - we have floor plans for 5 residential blocks in a row. - although each block has the same footprint, they have different internal arrangements and therfore we built the drawing using DLVPs side by side so that we could turn on and off referenced information. - we have 5 drawing layers for each storey so each drawing layer has 5 DLVPS showing 5 different internal layouts side by side. and you navigate up the storeys using the drawing layers. i look forward to your response. we've really utilised DLVPs on this project and and hope this isnt a stumbling block cheers
  13. Hi all. we have our original building 'plan' file which contains all the building plan information in it stacked vertically like you would traditionally. we then reference via a DLVP into another file ('the sheet') and use the DLVP to turn on the layers we want to see which seems to be working very well and keeps the sheet file very tidy. however, if we change any layer names in the plan file, the reference sometimes seems to pick u on the change but sometimes it fails to find the layer due to the name change. This means a lot of forward thinking is required when setting up a file (we often have lots of floor variations that dont get defined at the start) is there anyway to help vectorworks link the missing layer name. sort of like a find and replace? its quite annoying to have to redo all the viewports otherwise ta
  14. great, helpful as always everyone thanks.
  15. ah ok thanks. do you find its useful to have them on? i guess it feels kind of like bim, but it generally ends up being more of a pain to me than using the old fashioned method

 

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