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  1. NNA, I think you should pay for two days of Archken's time to sit down with you and show you, with his own projects as examples, exactly what he is talking about. I don't doubt that it would be difficult to implement even the simplest-sounding aspects, but I am intrigued. With respect to version 9, I have been working with 9.0.1 (Windows) for a few weeks, mainly to do some work to illustrate an academic paper. My feeling is that it is much more stable and bug-free than the comments on the bulletin board would make it seem, although I haven't used many of the production-drawing tools yet. For one thing alone, Archken, you would find it worthwhile: you can assign many more keyboard shortcuts since you now have <Ctrl + shift + >, <Ctrl + Alt + >, and <Ctrl + Alt + shift + > options. Also, the tool palettes dock to the top or side, which makes your workspace much less cluttered. You may use RenderWorks or some other 3rd party rendering program, but the Open GL rendering mode that comes with VW 9 is a great improvement, both in terms of allowing a range of options and much better interpolation. There are a bunch of other small things that I'm not mentioning. BTW, two minor picky points: setting up 4 linked layers to show different views of the model doesn't seem to be too much of a burden! Also, the use of the term "realtime" - I think "automated" is what you're thinking. "Realtime" refers to the ability of a computing system to perform calculations fast enough to keep up with real events, as opposed to it having to spend 20 hours, for example, to create a video that takes 2 minutes to view. VW 9.0.1 Win 2000 PII 333
  2. Like Paper space ... almost. I've discovered that line weights remain constant in the various scales in a linked layer, just as they would if you changed a layer's scale, different from printer scaling. Fortunately, there is an option to scale text. Scaling lineweights is handled adequately, but inconveniently, in AutoCAD. To implement a Drawing Setup utility, scaling lineweights should be automatic, with an option to set the scale factor. It would be part of that dialog box. Any reaction from NNA to these ideas? I've heard lots of AutoCAD devotees say that the lack of Paper space functionality is their major reason for not liking VectorWorks. Their other argument is that they like xrefs.
  3. In response to a comment by DomArch in the General Discussion area, Auto join would function much better if could be toggled by the <Ctrl> key. That would work much faster than having to select and deselect it as a wall creation preference.
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    DomArch, The behavior you describe sounds like a bug, or possibly corruption of some kind, although I can't imagine what kind of corruption would cause Auto join to spontaneously select a distant wall to join to. In Auto join mode on my platform, you have to move the cursor close to the wall you wish to join to before it becomes highlighted. You might check your snap radius in VW Preferences, in case a number like 500 got entered there - a long shot! You've probably already done it, but I'd reinstall the program, and delete and re-draw the problematic wall(s). Toggling the Auto join function, using the <Ctrl> key for example, would be an excellent feature! VW 9.0.1 Win 2000 PII 333
  5. quote: Originally posted by jodawi: I'll add this to the buglist if it's not there already. Thanks for responding. It is not entirely a bad thing that the entity shows up on the screen under these circumstances. At least you know that the paste was executed! If I may suggest, the way to improve the situation would be to launch a dialog box that says, "You are pasting an object whose class is not visible. Do you wish to make this class active? -> Yes, or Cancel." Automatically activating the class, as you point out, would make the object selectable. Then, we would have the ability to assign a different class to the object, which is often what you end up wanting to do. [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 08-05-2001).]
  6. Carl, Check out the General Discussion forum, item titled "trimming with arcs/circles," for a thorough discussion of working around the loss of <Ctrl+T>.
  7. quote: Originally posted by jodawi: In order to see the objects in a group or symbol, they must be in a visible or active class, and the group or symbol itself must be in a visible or active class Jodawi, This is generally true; however, when you paste an object into a saved view context in which its class is invisible, the object does appear on the screen. You just can't select it.
  8. quote: Originally posted by Ronald Prochot: Both layers appear to be occupying the same space Sounds like you haven't set the Z coordinates for each of your layers. I believe in version 7 you can set the Z coordinate globally in the Layer Setup dialog box. But, if I'm not mistaken, after you have created objects you can't use this to change Z coordinates globally. You may have to move everything (using <Ctrl+Alt+M> )
  9. Noidge, Thanks for the suggestion! I find it works great with polygons and circles. The glitch with an arc doesn't seem to me to be much of a problem. This has been a very useful discussion - I wonder if everyone involved agrees that <Ctrl + T> is replaced by the Clip and Intersect Surface tools. It seems to me that we lose a little time in having to select everything to be trimmed, but gain a little control. My one complaint is that NNA apparently didn't understand the usefulness of <Ctrl + T>, and also doesn't understand (doesn't care to explain?) the capability of the Clip/Intersect Surface tools. If you read the manual carefully, they do refer to "objects" rather than "surfaces" when explaining the operation of these tools, but given the circumstances, an explanation of the workaround would have been helpful.
  10. Arthur, Donald, Sorry, I didn't realize that by "Clip Area" you meant "Clip Surface!" I thought you might be referring to the "Trim" (scissors) tool. I never imagined that Clip Surface would do something similar to what <Ctrl + T> used to do, but it does. I find that it works using arcs as the clipping object, but automatically deletes those line segments that fall substantially within the arc "surface;" it also works using lines as the clipping object in a way very similar to the old <Ctrl +T>, with the added advantage that you must select the lines to be clipped - an advantage over <Ctrl +T>, because you can choose what gets clipped (i.e., broken, since automatic deletion does not take place using a line), and what doesn't. Using polygons, it deletes the line segments inside the polygon. So, besides the fact that it may require more keystrokes, "Clip Surface" does not allow us to remove lines OUTSIDE the perimeter of a bounded object, and doesn't substitute for the loss of <Ctrl + T>. To the extent that "Clip Surface" can clip lines and using lines, it would be helpful if the Manual were to point out that objects other than "surfaces" can be modified by this tool. It looks like a really handy way to split a polygon or polyline into two parts along a line at any angle.
  11. Carl, Thanks for answering you own question and sharing the info. I, too, have been puzzled by the operation of the Move Page tool.
  12. Scott, You've probably already figured this out, but I had the same problem. I had saved my custom workspace when I installed v 9.0.1, and several commands now no longer work, Join among them. I was unable to drag the Join command out in Workspace Editor, so I just added it again, and assigned <ctrl+J> as the keyboard command (just click to the right of the word 'Join', and a little window opens - add your letter of choice and opt for one of several different key combinations). Now Join works for me, although I have two 'Join's on my pull-down menu. VW 9.0.1 Win 2000 PII 333 [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 08-02-2001).]
  13. With the old trim command <Ctrl+T> we were able to clip a large number of lines at once using a line, arc or polygon. Then you could remove unwanted line segments en masse. This capability was very useful editing hatches and multiple lines representing siding, tile patterns, etc. It was also useful when you wanted to trim a wall at an angle. This has often been the only way to create a Y intersection of walls.
  14. Valerie, I can offer you the slow way to do it, which you have perhaps already thought of. Each in your series of 2D sections can be converted manually to a polyline (if it isn't already a polyline)that describes a profile of the land surface. Put an evenly spaced series of vertical lines through that polyline. You should know the relative X and Y locations of each of these lines from the spacing of your 2D sections and spacing of the lines themselves. Then clip each of these lines using the land surface polyline. Then move the origin (under the 'Page' pull down menu, 'Set Origin') to 0 by first placing a locus where 0 would be, somewhere below your profile. Then using the info palette, read off each of the Z coordinates (they will appear as the Y coordinate of the top point of each line). These numbers can be cut and pasted into Excel or a VW worksheet. There may be a faster way, including automating this process by using a script, and someone may have already written this script. But if you need to get this done quickly, I've done this before and it is slow and tedious but works. [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-30-2001).]
  15. Andrew, Thanks for the clarification. NNA's continuing work to speed up your new 3D engine will be much appreciated. Right now this is a major reason for me not to switch to version 9. Also, I'm starting to use a program called Rhino 3D, especially with projects involving the digitizing of complex sculpted models. Do you know about translation and compatibility between Rhino and VectorWorks? A Rhino model exported as .dxf can be read by VW, but the NURBS properties apparently disapper.
  16. Edward, I posted a wishlist item asking for something equivalent to AutoCAD paperspace. Someone in that forum replied, claiming to be able to do what we think VW is incapable of doing. You might check that item to see if you can figure out how to do what he says is possible. P.S.: I think I figured out how to do what Archken was suggesting, and it seems to work. You will find checking out that item in the Wishlist forum very worthwhile. [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-30-2001).]
  17. Dear Archken, Thanks for your reply. How do you show a first and second floor plan, that you created on top of each other, side by side on the same plotted sheet? Okay, I answered my own question. Linked layers were designed to put separate 3D layers into one for simultaneous viewing of an elevation constructed from multiple floor plans, etc. But you can separate two plans on the linked layer (after unlocking them) and show them side by side, without disturbing the source layers. And objects on the linked layer are automatically updated when you change the source layers. So far so good. You can also change the scale of your linked layer, and it works the same way. So you could put together a sheet composed of linked layers to do what Paperspace does. Is this what you are suggesting? If so, NNA - it looks like "linked layers" are really more powerful than your manual suggests. How about making this an easy process by creating an interface called 'Drawing Setup' to guide people through it? 'Drawing Setup' would automatically create a linked layer if the user wants the drawing to appear at a different scale, or located differently with respect to the page, than it does in the source layer. [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-30-2001).]
  18. One of the few big advantages of AutoCAD over Vector Works is their Paperspace capability. This allows us to compose a sheet from various elements of a project, displayed in any location on the sheet and at any scale desired. See complaint by CARMELLHILL2 in the main discussion forum about plotting multiple floors on one sheet. Like most of us, he probably arranges his layers so that all floors are registered with each other. "Pulling apart" these overlaid layers is not possible in VW, no matter how you set up a sheet. It seems to me that you could fairly easily provide us with this feature. The layer is printed on the page according to the way (0,0) is related to the page. Just allow us the ability to break that link, and to customize the relationship of a layer's origin to the page, for each layer. This should be a graphic tool, like dragging a thumbnail of the layer's (or multiple layers') content around a representation of the sheet. Then, allow the "scale" of each layer to be set differently in different sheet setups - you have printer scaling, this might be an extension of the same algorithm. Both of these features should be extensions of the existing sheet setup dialog box - a "Drawing Setup" within Sheet Setup. Do this, and you will have something better than AutoCAD's convoluted Paperspace. [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-28-2001).]
  19. Doing a particular (complex) solid subtraction in a file originally created in VW 8.5.2 took about 8 seconds in VW 8, and over 30 seconds in VW 9.0. I'd say that is significantly slower. Tech support told me they thought it was the change from 32 bit to 64 bit accuracy. I said I could do without 64 bit accuracy if that's the price we have to pay. But I've also noticed that the translation from VW 8 to VW 9 is very quirky, and perhaps objects native to VW 9 don't have this problem. Has anyone else tried similar comparisons?
  20. I agree with Donald. Suppose you have a series of parallel lines you want to extend to some reference line, and these lines are so close together you can't select them properly unless you zoom in - then you lose sight of your target reference line, and can't use the tool!
  21. I use Set 3D View quite a bit, and since I'm in the process of switching to VW 9, I was motivated to try it immediately. The command works fine for me (on a PC) in both perspective and orthogonal modes. VW 9.0.1 Win 2000 PII 333
  22. Donald, I have not experienced the problem you describe. For example, my rounded rectangle tool is nested under the ordinary rectangle tool. Whichever one has been selected and is displayed on the palette is activated by the keyboard command <4>. When viewing all of the nested tools by clicking on the little triangle, each is tagged with a "(4)". Perhaps your system is different from mine: VW 9.0.1 (worked the same with 9.0) Win 2000 PII 333 [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-28-2001).]
  23. Dear Andrew, Thanks for your thoughtful input on this issue. I don't have a dual processer, but if I did I would want it for the rendering operations and for converting 3D objects to lines (same process). If NNA could write those functions for a dual processor, I think you would make those folks who have them happy.
  24. Dan, Alan, If you are talking about the fill patterns assigned through the attributes palette, those have always been 72 dpi, regardless of scale or printer resolution. I've often wished for a more powerful and sophisticated fill capability.


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