thanks guys, it was an old site plan I was sen then added my stuff, not sure who made it originally. ill take a look at what you've done for me, thanks very much for spending your time on that. I think you may née right in terms of ones I can't seem to import are ones that I didn't do originally from basically using the DWG from map serve. the blocks, a lot are what I made for heras fencing etc, and then some are the stages from the staging companies.