I understand that no one wants to pay more for these plug-ins to be added. However, the functions that these great plug-ins do, a lot of those functions should be capable within the core of VW. Go look at some of the competitors cabinet and window/door tools. Yes, those programs have shortcomings, as do all programs but we need some of these functions incorporated into VW. Yes, I do budget for these extra plug-ins, especially when I come across a job that is going to require me to purchase them. However, it would be nice if I didn't have to fork out the extra money for something that should be already possible with in the program. Johnathan and Pat, I too luv you guys you are awesome, but you have to see some of the stuff that we are all talking about as being justified. If they don't want to incorporate them, then adjust the tools (cabinet, windows, doors) that we currently have to accommodate more of what these extra plug-ins are capable of doing. That's all, give us more options so that we don't have to "model" these things like others are suggesting. Either way, VW is still my favorite and I will always be a big fan.