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Hi Vincent Thanks for the update. That is quite interesting for when I get as far as a more detailed model. Regards Francis

@Cipesdesign Having had a play with this, I think I understand what you are saying better. The minimum wall return appears to be the wall thickness, so I understand what your rafter what did now. You have effectively created a wall "peak" line in the gable that has held the corner down and flat.Might try that too, add a "leak" line to bring it level. Regards, Francis

Hi Guys, @Peter - Thanks for taking the time to reply. The ragged edge is becuse I have joined the walls. I think I need to create a nominal return to "close" the gable wall before joining the side. I will try this and hope it gives me a nice cut line. @Cipesdesign - Again, thanks for taking the time to reply. I see what you have done, as noted above, I think my expectations of the wall behaviour were a little different. In your example, have you used a wall style with a component build up, or a simple shape? Can I also assume from your example that you have formed the corner with the gable wall, and the side is "just" an infill and not involved in the corner return? Regards, Francis

Hi All, I'm trying again to complete a small job or my mother in law and have started work on Vectorworks 2010 again, and again finding myself wish I'd never bought it (apologies for the negativity). I haven't yet managed to finish anything in it. I have had consistent issues joining walls, but have now resorted to only making walls with part of the build up to avoid issues when joining different wall types. Now I have tried to fit these walls to my roof plane. The roof is on a separate Layer, the Z of the roof layer is well above the wall Z & +/-Z. I have seen a couple of forum posts with similar issues, but no real solution. Creating wall peaks tool with 3d reshape does not let me edit the jagged points on the join. I have attached three pictures of what happens, an overview of the model and a plan to give you an idea of the wall buildup. The wall build-up is not complete as I intend to add cladding to one face separately. Obviously I would like to use the wall types as they work well for 2d plans, but can't understand why it won't fit to the roof plan evenly. The result is jagged, with mis-matching planes on the corner. Should i give up on all the fancy walls (the reason for buying a BIM program) and just model it in solid objects? Is there a way out of this hole? I can probably hide the issues in the 2d projections when I output the drawings but would dearly love to know what I am doing wrong. I feel like buying Sketchup and using Layout at the moment :-( . Again apologies for the negativity, but having spent so long working in Microstation in my office I can't believe how hard relatively things seem to be with Vectorworks, especially when they some of the more unique features. Regards, Francis

no worries. Thanks for the info. I think part of the efficiency of modeling is finding the bits which work well with what you want to do. Thanks. F

Okay, So that works rather well (thanks) to hide the main roof, but leaves the eaves detail soffit boards flying though into the house. (see image) To do this masking in the group, do I need to use a simpler roof with no eaves detail? Cheers Francis

Hi Farookey, Will try that and report back. My previous comment was to Peter Cipes. Regards, Francis

Thanks for the reply. No, I tried that too, but the manual actually says "right mouse click on it. Choose Cut" I tried following the Vectorworks Help file which mentions clip surface, but that wouldn't work either. Vectorworks responds "illegal object(s) selected" Cheers Francis

Hi All, Sorry if the question is a bit basic but here goes: -I am trying to model my in-laws house prior to an extension design in 2010 Architect and this is my first real attempt to use the program after purchasing years ago. -I am having difficulty dealing with the roofs as they come together with many junctions (see images). -I have been following the Johnathon Pickup manual 2nd edition loosely to build up the model. -In the manual he describes a process of drawing a 2d shape, copying that into a roof group that has an oversize eaves and using it subtract the parts of the roof eaves he does not need by simply using the "cut" command. This is not working for me, neither is a solid object subtraction as the object is "illegal". N.B. when i "edit group" the Object Info shows the roof face as Locked. Is there a way to remove the unwanted areas overlapping in my roofs without un-grouping the roof object and losing the parametric data? See images for the shape of the polygon I wish to remove an idea of how much the roofs currently overlap. I did start with one roof and edit all the points & eaves to create a shape, but Vectorworks did not like all the intersections so I am now trying the alternative of creating different roof sections and shaping them to fit together. If I can get this right I can then start worrying about how the walls sit underneath... Thanks in advance if anyone can help, I'll move on to another area of the model for the moment. Regards Francis

Okay, thanks for the input. I guess I will have to re-wire my brain on the undo issue. Coming from a different CAD program with infinite undo's it is a bit weird! I don't think I can think of any other program that accesses the settings via undo. On the wall issue, I had spotted I could amend it, but I need to learn the correct way to do it, as it makes a difference which "direction" the wall was drawn in as to where it amends the length. Thanks again for the input. Regards, Francis

Hi All I'm new to Vectorworks but work day to day using Bentley Microstation (we don't use Triforma/full building modeling). I bought a license of Vectorworks Architect 2010 on Windows (years ago now) for personal projects which I have never got to grips with. Everytime I start I find it faster to flip back to the office Microstation. Anyway I am having another go now as I have more time. So my first couple of questions are: 1- Is there anyway to change the "Undo" behavior, it is driving me mad. It undoes everything, drafting work, views & settings. I need it to only undo actual work, not scrolling/zooming views or settings. In trying to correct this I found a setting in Tools>Options>Vectorworks Preferences which says "undo view changes" which I set to never. When I test this by drawing two lines and then undoing them, it still jumps the view (in one step thankfully) to the lines, even if zoomed out enough to see them clearly? The third ctrl-z then undid the preferences change which seems like madness! Help! 2. I am having some difficulty joining wall styles and in doing so have deleted perpendicular elements. The remaining walls have then changed length, presumably to account for the previous joint. Is this normal? Surely if a wall length was dialed in it should revert back to that exact length if a perpendicular corner is removed? e.g. I draw a wall 5000mm long. I then add another wall element on one end perpendicular to the first. When I delete the second element, the first wall ends up 5132mm long. Is there a way to change this behavior? I can see there is a lot of power in Vectorworks if I can get over some of these interface issues. Thanks for any help in advance. Regards, Francis