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  1. quote:

    Originally posted by Ronald Prochot:

    Both layers appear to be occupying the same space

    Sounds like you haven't set the Z coordinates for each of your layers. I believe in version 7 you can set the Z coordinate globally in the Layer Setup dialog box. But, if I'm not mistaken, after you have created objects you can't use this to change Z coordinates globally. You may have to move everything (using <Ctrl+Alt+M> )

  2. Noidge,

    Thanks for the suggestion! I find it works great with polygons and circles. The glitch with an arc doesn't seem to me to be much of a problem.

    This has been a very useful discussion - I wonder if everyone involved agrees that <Ctrl + T> is replaced by the Clip and Intersect Surface tools. It seems to me that we lose a little time in having to select everything to be trimmed, but gain a little control.

    My one complaint is that NNA apparently didn't understand the usefulness of <Ctrl + T>, and also doesn't understand (doesn't care to explain?) the capability of the Clip/Intersect Surface tools. If you read the manual carefully, they do refer to "objects" rather than "surfaces" when explaining the operation of these tools, but given the circumstances, an explanation of the workaround would have been helpful.

  3. Arthur, Donald,

    Sorry, I didn't realize that by "Clip Area" you meant "Clip Surface!" I thought you might be referring to the "Trim" (scissors) tool.

    I never imagined that Clip Surface would do something similar to what <Ctrl + T> used to do, but it does. I find that it works using arcs as the clipping object, but automatically deletes those line segments that fall substantially within the arc "surface;" it also works using lines as the clipping object in a way very similar to the old <Ctrl +T>, with the added advantage that you must select the lines to be clipped - an advantage over <Ctrl +T>, because you can choose what gets clipped (i.e., broken, since automatic deletion does not take place using a line), and what doesn't. Using polygons, it deletes the line segments inside the polygon.

    So, besides the fact that it may require more keystrokes, "Clip Surface" does not allow us to remove lines OUTSIDE the perimeter of a bounded object, and doesn't substitute for the loss of <Ctrl + T>.

    To the extent that "Clip Surface" can clip lines and using lines, it would be helpful if the Manual were to point out that objects other than "surfaces" can be modified by this tool. It looks like a really handy way to split a polygon or polyline into two parts along a line at any angle.

  4. Originally posted by DomArch:

    *when I try to draw a wall in a drawing previously created in 8.5.1 using the Wall tool, another wall on the drawing becomes selected and when I finish the wall I'm drawing it extends and connects to this other wall

    Can't help with the other issues, but you might check your wall creation preferences to see if 'Auto join' is turned on. The behavior you describe sounds like the normal behavior of 'Auto join'. With the wall tool selected, click on the icon with the blue arrows at the top of the screen to set preferences.

    VW 9.0.1

    Win 2000

    PII 333

  5. Scott,

    You've probably already figured this out, but I had the same problem. I had saved my custom workspace when I installed v 9.0.1, and several commands now no longer work, Join among them. I was unable to drag the Join command out in Workspace Editor, so I just added it again, and assigned <ctrl+J> as the keyboard command (just click to the right of the word 'Join', and a little window opens - add your letter of choice and opt for one of several different key combinations). Now Join works for me, although I have two 'Join's on my pull-down menu.

    VW 9.0.1

    Win 2000

    PII 333

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 08-02-2001).]

  6. With the old trim command <Ctrl+T> we were able to clip a large number of lines at once using a line, arc or polygon. Then you could remove unwanted line segments en masse. This capability was very useful editing hatches and multiple lines representing siding, tile patterns, etc. It was also useful when you wanted to trim a wall at an angle. This has often been the only way to create a Y intersection of walls.

  7. Valerie,

    I can offer you the slow way to do it, which you have perhaps already thought of. Each in your series of 2D sections can be converted manually to a polyline (if it isn't already a polyline)that describes a profile of the land surface. Put an evenly spaced series of vertical lines through that polyline. You should know the relative X and Y locations of each of these lines from the spacing of your 2D sections and spacing of the lines themselves. Then clip each of these lines using the land surface polyline. Then move the origin (under the 'Page' pull down menu, 'Set Origin') to 0 by first placing a locus where 0 would be, somewhere below your profile. Then using the info palette, read off each of the Z coordinates (they will appear as the Y coordinate of the top point of each line). These numbers can be cut and pasted into Excel or a VW worksheet.

    There may be a faster way, including automating this process by using a script, and someone may have already written this script. But if you need to get this done quickly, I've done this before and it is slow and tedious but works.

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-30-2001).]

  8. Andrew,

    Thanks for the clarification. NNA's continuing work to speed up your new 3D engine will be much appreciated. Right now this is a major reason for me not to switch to version 9.

    Also, I'm starting to use a program called Rhino 3D, especially with projects involving the digitizing of complex sculpted models. Do you know about translation and compatibility between Rhino and VectorWorks? A Rhino model exported as .dxf can be read by VW, but the NURBS properties apparently disapper.

  9. Edward,

    I posted a wishlist item asking for something equivalent to AutoCAD paperspace. Someone in that forum replied, claiming to be able to do what we think VW is incapable of doing. You might check that item to see if you can figure out how to do what he says is possible.

    P.S.: I think I figured out how to do what Archken was suggesting, and it seems to work. You will find checking out that item in the Wishlist forum very worthwhile.

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-30-2001).]

  10. Dear Archken,

    Thanks for your reply. How do you show a first and second floor plan, that you created on top of each other, side by side on the same plotted sheet? Okay, I answered my own question. Linked layers were designed to put separate 3D layers into one for simultaneous viewing of an elevation constructed from multiple floor plans, etc. But you can separate two plans on the linked layer (after unlocking them) and show them side by side, without disturbing the source layers. And objects on the linked layer are automatically updated when you change the source layers. So far so good. You can also change the scale of your linked layer, and it works the same way. So you could put together a sheet composed of linked layers to do what Paperspace does. Is this what you are suggesting?

    If so, NNA - it looks like "linked layers" are really more powerful than your manual suggests. How about making this an easy process by creating an interface called 'Drawing Setup' to guide people through it? 'Drawing Setup' would automatically create a linked layer if the user wants the drawing to appear at a different scale, or located differently with respect to the page, than it does in the source layer.

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-30-2001).]

  11. One of the few big advantages of AutoCAD over Vector Works is their Paperspace capability. This allows us to compose a sheet from various elements of a project, displayed in any location on the sheet and at any scale desired. See complaint by CARMELLHILL2 in the main discussion forum about plotting multiple floors on one sheet. Like most of us, he probably arranges his layers so that all floors are registered with each other. "Pulling apart" these overlaid layers is not possible in VW, no matter how you set up a sheet. It seems to me that you could fairly easily provide us with this feature. The layer is printed on the page according to the way (0,0) is related to the page. Just allow us the ability to break that link, and to customize the relationship of a layer's origin to the page, for each layer. This should be a graphic tool, like dragging a thumbnail of the layer's (or multiple layers') content around a representation of the sheet. Then, allow the "scale" of each layer to be set differently in different sheet setups - you have printer scaling, this might be an extension of the same algorithm. Both of these features should be extensions of the existing sheet setup dialog box - a "Drawing Setup" within Sheet Setup. Do this, and you will have something better than AutoCAD's convoluted Paperspace.

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-28-2001).]

  12. Doing a particular (complex) solid subtraction in a file originally created in VW 8.5.2 took about 8 seconds in VW 8, and over 30 seconds in VW 9.0. I'd say that is significantly slower. Tech support told me they thought it was the change from 32 bit to 64 bit accuracy. I said I could do without 64 bit accuracy if that's the price we have to pay. But I've also noticed that the translation from VW 8 to VW 9 is very quirky, and perhaps objects native to VW 9 don't have this problem. Has anyone else tried similar comparisons?

  13. I agree with Donald. Suppose you have a series of parallel lines you want to extend to some reference line, and these lines are so close together you can't select them properly unless you zoom in - then you lose sight of your target reference line, and can't use the tool!

  14. I use Set 3D View quite a bit, and since I'm in the process of switching to VW 9, I was motivated to try it immediately. The command works fine for me (on a PC) in both perspective and orthogonal modes.

    VW 9.0.1

    Win 2000

    PII 333

  15. Donald,

    I have not experienced the problem you describe. For example, my rounded rectangle tool is nested under the ordinary rectangle tool. Whichever one has been selected and is displayed on the palette is activated by the keyboard command <4>. When viewing all of the nested tools by clicking on the little triangle, each is tagged with a "(4)". Perhaps your system is different from mine:

    VW 9.0.1 (worked the same with 9.0)

    Win 2000

    PII 333

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-28-2001).]

  16. Dan, Alan,

    If you are talking about the fill patterns assigned through the attributes palette, those have always been 72 dpi, regardless of scale or printer resolution. I've often wished for a more powerful and sophisticated fill capability.

  17. Thanks, Caleb, for the tip on using <Esc> key. This does exactly what I was looking for. I note that this bit of information does not seem to appear in the User's Guide. One of the more frustrating things about dealing with VW is that the program behaves in ways and contains features that are not adequately explained in the manual. In participating in this forum, I have noted that many people complain about the program because they just don't have the information they need to use it. NNA should get a specialist to work with all the tech support folks and engineers to come up with a complete manual.

    By the way, I find that using <Esc> after entering new information in the object info box does not cancel the change. Additionally, it has a great advantage over clicking in the drawing space. Clicking in the drawing space is interpreted by the program both as a shift of focus and an initiation of the command currently active (e.g., draw a rectangle, edit it, click in the drawing space - you will have to finish drawing a rectangle you don't want before doing anything else!)

    I agree with Raymond Mullin that <Enter> would be a more natural and logical choice as a keyboard command to perform this function. One expects that using <Esc> would cancel all edits, which in fact it does not do.

    -Pete Retondo

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-09-2001).]

  18. If you have snap to objects on, when the cursor is snapped to a 3D point the coordinates appear at the top of your screen. Or, you could put a 3D locus at the desired vertex and read off the coordinates in the info palette. With the second method, you can choose whether to see coordinates in X,Y,Z or I,J,K system.

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 07-02-2001).]

  19. When creating a text string, the "enter" key (on the numerical keypad) takes you out of that command so that keyboard commands are no longer interpreted as part of your text string. The same thing should apply to editing values in the info palette. I can't tell you how many times I have pressed "enter" after editing a number in the info palette, then pressed "x" to get the selection tool - only to find that I have just tried to assign "42.67x" as the length of something!

  20. This may not be the best possible technique, but you can close each polyline using the checkbox in the info dialog box, add vertices if necessary to make the two intersect, then use the add surface tool to combine them into one surface. Turn off visibility of sides you don't want using the 2D reshape tool. (I assume that you meant to say you're using 8.5.2)

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 06-23-2001).]

  21. Printing perspective views used to be simple with my HP 722 in Windows 98 and VW 8.5.2 (or was it VW 7?). The perspective was automatically scaled to fit the sheet, and only the view showing on the screen printed out. Just get your perspective set up, then print. Now, with VW 9.0, an HP 1220C and Windows 2000, I have to set up a single sheet page size, scale it and move the page to center the view. As though this weren't enough trouble, it will print a larger view, to the extent of the sheet, instead of what shows in the window. I solve this by masking the rest of the page with a window around the perspective view that shows on the screen, a pain. This problem is occurring with a document originally created in VW 8.5.2 and translated to VW 9.0.

    By the way, if you choose the wrong order of doing the steps above, you can get into trouble. You must set the scale in the page setup dialog box BEFORE switching to the perspective view, otherwise the effect of setting scaling changes the view on the screen radically.

    [This message has been edited by P Retondo (edited 06-18-2001).]


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