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    we can eclipse the industry

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    First of all, DM awesome videos and seems like you got your workflow down smoothly, thanks a lot for sharing.

    My two cents for this thread would be;

    1) The industry is heading towards BIM inexorably. It's a painful process but it's easier to adopt early on rather than later. BIM is going to be the medium we will be communicating in future. And yes, a SuperFormat that is independent of market software companies should be the bonding exchange, somehow...

    2) I would be on board with most of you that VW should put more effort to further develop its' 3D tools and model making flows. (think sculpting rather than drawing)

    3) I think what we all need is a uniform classing system as well. CSI provides the OmniClass for this purpose which I have seen comes closest to answering this need. They should be working to create an enough sophisticated and all encapsulating language which the software company will translate in to their language.

    That's it from me now, thanks for the time

    it's exactly what i'm thinking, all 3 points matching, thanks :)

    rob

    VW 2016 IFC export issues (that were not in VW 2015)

    in Architecture

    Posted

    hi diamond,

    (..)

    That said, architects have very different needs to the various consultants or suppliers that are engaged as part of the project team. Three points;

    1. We sculpt the building to suit our designs. As a part of that, getting prelim versions of consultants models that we can edit in a format that Vectorworks can natively edit, cuts down the time taken in the design iteration process.

    why would you want to edit the consultants' contribution? isn't it their kettle of fish?

    i model the representation of the geometry, and then the consultants use it as a reference for their job. what they export is the model (preferably ifc) that contains objects that have special rules and behaviours. if i convert them to vectorworks native rules and behaviour then the information intelligence gets lost, in spite of convenient 3d geometry, which is only one of the bim dimensions, by far not the most important one, if you're doing a full-fledged bim / ipd.

    2. Bringing in IFC files from consultants for design review, clash detection etc slows Vectorworks to a crawl. Having Vectorworks convert IFC into a native format/geometry would take much of this grief away — rather than the mess of 3D polys that are currently created.

    well, it's not the vectorworks goal to collect all the branch models into a federated one. for this there is a bunch of bim management software packages (solibri model checker, tekla bimsight, navisworks, bim vision a.s.o.).

    again, in case you're in for bim / ipd. if you're doing small bim, then you're maybe right, then no rules apply.

    3. I am seeing more suppliers creating their product object libraries as IFC files. As architects we need to bring them into our files. But if Vectorworks either; creates rubbish IFC conversion; or due to Vectorworks place in the market, we only have the option of Revit, ArchiCAD or IFC; or if the original object is drawn in a less than satisfactory manner — we end up re-drawing it all again anyway.

    I understand the purpose of IFC to protect the I.P. of each team member, and control versioning etc, but if Vectorworks could read and export IFC natively, it removes much of the friction created by limited interoperability, without overstepping IFC's mandate.

    i've just assumed you're mentioning the architectural objects to be imported, it might then make sense.

    on the other hand, it's suppliers' and manufacturers' responsibility for the accuracy of the shop models that will be inserted into a federated model in a lod500 status (again, preferably in ifc format), to be calculated and simulated by bim evaluation software packages (costx, bimestimate, ecodomus, simplebim, ies ve etc.).

    from the bim objects' libraries bimobject.org are just creating a vectorworks interface, and from what i know they will convert all existing models and objects in their library into vwx format, too. i regard it as a temporary situation, though. in the end we'll be dealing exclusively with ifc data, and maybe then with something more sophisticated.

    bim level 3 assumes a unified ifc federated model where all contributions are parts in their own rights, not editable, and with very accurate more-dimensional information from every project stakeholder's expertise field.

    i can't imagine how other process' participants may mess around with parts of work they have no authorisation for nor knowledge of.

    rob

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    VW 2016 IFC export issues (that were not in VW 2015)

    in Architecture

    Posted

    no party is authorised to change the other party's contribution, so ifc goes with this flow. there are copy rights and professional liabilities, even the subcontractors that contribute their shop models are responsible for them, even if done by other 3rd party subjects.

    ifc is designed to work only in one direction (not as round-tripped exchange), and used as a reference for others to do their work.

    what you write is a compete misunderstanding of the notion of ifc.

    and: the ability of dwg to be changed was its major flaw.

    rob

    VW 2016 IFC export issues (that were not in VW 2015)

    in Architecture

    Posted · Edited by gester

    1. the full information is in the model. if the information is missing, then it lays on the modellers. ifc is able to transport what ever the other party needs.

    2. editing ifc is pure bs, it isn't, and it will never be. check the specification of ifc4 and the strategy papers of your fellow countryman thomas liebich. ifc is not to be edited !

    of course, you could edit its parts, as it's a text format, but it will always be on your own personal responsibility.

    rob

    edit:

    the archicad's ability to transform ifc into native objects while importing into the application is 'vergebliche muehe'.

    do you want, say, a structural engineer, or maybe even a construction bim manager to manipulate architectural or mechanical objects ????

    VW 2016 IFC export issues (that were not in VW 2015)

    in Architecture

    Posted · Edited by gester

    Dear all,

    recently we started a BIM project in VW 2016 SP2 that we need to share as IFC with other parties. As a standard we use the VW classes to give local building classifications to the different building elements.

    the classes structure aims at mirroring the construction national standards, anyway. what do you use for this? omniclass naming?

    Furthermore a re-imported IFC (that we exported ourselves before) seems to loose some information compared to the original VW file (and compared to the Solibri viewer as well).

    this is not how it was supposed to be done. there's no round tripping of the ifc models ! it's just a reference for others to work with.

    otherwise we'd have editable ifc elements and a whole bunch of copy rights and professional insurance issues with them.

    rob

    What has Vectorworks - what other CAD don't have ?

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by gester

    the class/layer system seems to be so unique that the new austrian norm (oen a 6241-1), being a preparation for the future bim norm sports the implementation of the layers alone as the main distribution channel for the elements that will be bim objects.

    the guys in austria don't seem to take into consideration other applications than revit, archicad or allplan, let alone the ubiquitous autocad.

    hopefully the coming bim norm (oen a 6241-2) which will be based on ifc and bsdd (ibim) will make this legacy obsolete.

    El Capitan

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    my el capitan update freezes completely, short before the login screen, no matter if i repair it or install a-new with time machine backup (there's already el cap).

    if i don't find any workaround, i'd have to wait for the patch 2. fortunately it's not my only computer, but one of the older ones (mid 2010).

    Stair section fill?!

    in Architecture

    Posted

    I cant seem to cut the stair correct in a section viewport.

    The middle landing gets a fill, but not the stair.

    Is there some settings i am missing?

    have you tried the advanced section properties, the 'attributes' tab (section plane)?

    and what is your stair's construction type, btw?

    rob

    Stair section fill?!

    in Architecture

    Posted

    clip cubes are not supposed to show the exact geometries with the materials, otherwise their performance would be lost. it's only a visualisation tool.

    even the bentley's hypermodelling is relying on the 2d drawings for detailing.

    rob

    Marionette tool

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Thanks

    i need a starter pack as i have looked at the links and still have no idea where to make a start and how this will benefit my workflow

    but thanks for the links

    I started to read manual -> Visual Scripting and video > in this post

    also i have experience with:

    • dynamo for revit
    • mcg for 3dsmax
    • xpresso for c4d
    • houdini

    hmm, houdini was once the most parametric 3d character animation application on the market, did it change in those years?

    if you compare those tools, i'm curious what can you say about marionette?

    rob

    2016 Selection

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by gester

    but the guys at the bug submission are the best address, am i not right? if it's obvious and repeated, i'd send it.

    and, btw, the reaction time is probably much shorter at the bug submission than here in the forums...

    rob

    Marionette

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by gester

    i don't know if i asked this already, but i'll try nevertheless: is it possible in the marionette to convert some shape to a graphics' node?

    i mean e.g.: i want to use my own, manually created polyline as a path for the distribution of the, say, columns created in a marionette network...

    thx in advance,

    rob

    2016 Selection

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    can't you guys simply submit those bugs, if they're appearing repeatedly?

    on the other hand, how are my two bug submissions (the missing z-coordinate for site models and the offset walls generation from rounded massing models)?

    thx in advance.

    rob

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