Ariel
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You're referring to the vrayforc4d plugin (http://www.vrayforc4d.com/), right?
Vray is definitely more superior but comes with a steeper learning curve. If you're just starting with C4d, I would suggest that you learn AR first. AR already does excellent renders and may already work for you. Transitioning to vray wouldn't really be a big jump from there.
hth,
ariel
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And what I'm telling you is that you come up against that wall far earlier in VW than you do in ArchiCAD.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Furthermore you're describing such tools as if they'll never improve. Intelligent dynamic tools will consistently become easier and easier to configure and manipulate. Maybe you're just afraid that a 10 year old will be able to do in 20 seconds what it currently takes you 20 minutes to do?Sorry, my bad. I thought we were talking about present day software.
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Thanks for the videos but I'm already using parametric railings in real-world Revit projects so I'm fully aware of what their advantages and potentials are. What I'm trying to tell you is that you'll eventually encounter instances wherein they weren't designed for. Or inevitably you'll have to create a totally different railing or stair design which simply can't be done with the standard railing tool which came with the software. What you also fail to see in the videos is the effort and time involved in setting up those parameters and components.
It's not as easy or intelligent as it looks. Oftentimes you end up working more as a programmer than as a designer.
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Why bother with a railing 'intelligently' modelled when nobody cares
Because editing a parametric object which dynamically interacts with the rest of the model is astronomically faster to revise.
In theory, probably. In the real world, I don't believe so. I'm using Revit so I have no idea how Archicad works. But keep in mind that unless you use only a fixed set of railing designs in your projects, you also have to take into account the time inputting all those parameters on how your intelligent railing behaves. And believe me, behaving how you expect it to isn't always the case in Revit.
ariel
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Of course Mike, I'm not for a minute suggesting otherwise. What I'm trying to understand is where are these two different ways of doing things likely to go in the future?
They'll go where the industry tells them. I would suggest that you look at what your clients' (not your office) BIM requirements are if there are any. Here's a link which you may find interesting:
In this example, the BIM requirements are pretty basic --- just spatial stuff and the building's structure. From my standpoint, I would ask myself what do I really need from my CAD/BIM software *now*. Do I really need to have an intelligent building model if all I have to deliver to my clients are the basics? Why bother with a railing 'intelligently' modelled when nobody cares?
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David,
Non-plotable layers are one of Autocad's features which simply doesn't make sense in VW. As Jonathan already pointed out, you can just show your 'guides' class in your design layer and and turn it off in your sheet layers.
ariel
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We don't want to spend our time thinking about how to model/draw. We want to spend time designing.
This got a snicker from me.
Although I don't necessarily agree with Jeffrey's recent posts, I can understand his frustrations with your comments. If you could have just gained a fuller understanding on how the other BIM applications work, you'll realize that modeling and drawing are VW's greatest advantages over them. Just because WGR seems too complicated for you, it doesn't mean that it doesn't work. A lot of VW users have successfully used it in their projects.
Each software developer chose a certain development path. UI changes can be challenging if not impossible. BIM is still a moving target and it's comforting that no one company is influencing its direction. Looking at where BIM is in the industry, I like how VW is keeping pace. (I just wish the IFC certification would finally push through.)
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Getting the texturing right will determine whether I buy vectorworks design series and interiorcad.
I don't think VW/Renderworks supports UV mapping which is what you're looking for. Even with Rhino 3d, it may be a complicated process if not impossible since it's more of a nurbs-based modeler rather than a surface-based app. I would suggest a more dedicated rendering software such as Cinema 4d or 3D studio if you really need more texture mapping options.
hth,
Ariel
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Why????
Because multiprocessing has as much to do with render farming as render framing does. ;}
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Of course, there is. Just draw it manually.
Seriously, I'm surprised some people actually use the grid bubble tool. NNA should take a long hard look at how other BIM apps implement it.
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Thank you for the clarification, AndiACD. I think you're making an unfair comparison since C4D isn't exactly a CAD application where accuracy is a high priority.
Considering that Minicad 1 was released in 1985, I believe 28 years is a bit off the mark though.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't VW do a "ground up rebuild" around eight years ago with version 9 when it switched to a floating point database?
Ray, that's what i've been getting at for ages. Years in fact.VW, now more than ever needs a "Ground Up Rebuild" so that it CAN make use of technology that is now available.
Multi core processors, 64bit architecture, Cocoa savvy so that all of our machine's RAM can get used to it's full potential. i've got 4.5GB of RAM, but VW never uses more than 1.5 to 2GB tops with BIG files. Less than 0.5 goes to running the show and incidentals and the other 2Gig just sits around drinking coffee reading the Radio Times. til i open up another App or 10 . . . . . Oh yeah, there is the tiny little matter of 35Gig of VM being consumed.
Biplap, please get rid of the 28 year old code and write some new stuff so we can all benefit from the machines we now have.
Please keep the GUI as it is though.
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From what I read in their website, collision detection in Archicad seems to work only for the MEP modeler extension which would require an additional purchase.
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I am pretty sure revit has the function to project walls to roof or other objects like ADT/ACA does. You can have the walls auto project or you can manually add points to the top or bottom of walls.
that is correct but in revit, you define wall components in plan not in section.
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Why would you want that? With saved views and customizable viewports as better alternatives, I'm having difficulty thinking up of a scenario where I would need such a feature.
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Let's just say that software that defines wall components in section and allows for peaks exists in at least one robust form.
I'm quite certain that it isn't Revit. Which software are you referring to?
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Personally, I think you're making this look more difficult than it actually is. Honestly, how hard is it really to paste a polygon and convert it into a nurbs object?
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I think that should be my issue to deal with. If I have a planar path that was created from a 2d poly, the EAP command should not act as a one-way filter preventing me from using one again upon editing.
IF I am using 3d geometry for my path, I certainly wouldn't expect to be able to substitute a 2d path and get the same result, but I don't think VW should then just fail to create a shape.
Some may prefer still prefer the resulting nurbs path (ie. for sloped handrails) though.
What kind of editing do you actually need? If you need to do an offset, you have to move the origin of the profile instead. If you need to add or move several vertices, my workflow (hope this is clear) is to create a temporary 2d polygon as snap points, cut/copy to clipboard, paste that when you enter the path object, modify the nurbs, delete the polygon, exit.
Having said that, I wish NNA would allow in-place editing of the EAP --- similar to how C4D and Revit do it.
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Most other solid objects can be edited to their primitives, which can be adjusted or have adjusted substitutes put in place, and the solid object will still be valid. Not so with the EAP. If the EAP can take a 2d path object and convert it to a nurbs path at the time of creation, it sure should be able to do so during an edit.
The problem though is that unlike in previous versions, the path object doesn't necessarily lie flat on a plane in VW2009. The EAP also works with more complex 3d nurbs as your path object.
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VW's C4D Plugins have never been much help.
What do you mean? I use them all the time.
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David, no. The sweep command is not that at all. Try it and see. I'm pretty sure what you want is "extrude along path"...
What I usually do is create one "extrude along path" object using the perimeter of the building as my path (assuming this is your exterior wall all around). If there are any openings that would be in the way, just use the subtract solid command.
And if you're also prefer to use secondary low walls, I would suggest that you create them inside a group so as not to accidentally mess up your main walls.
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Can anyone confirm if the C4D exchange plugin works with VW2009 and C4D rel 10? How about VW2009 and C4D rel 11?
Just playing safe before making the upgrade from VW2008. Thanks.
Ariel
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It would be a useful addition to WGRing for sure but it also highlights the inherent limitation of WGR, in that you're restricted to Layers. ArchiCAD TeamWork goes further than this as I understand it.
In the case of Revit, yes it does go further. You can assign ownership of specific object types or groups of objects to a particular user. I've seen this to be more of a hassle than an advantage in actual practice though. (What the... I'm not allowed to move this wall?)
It also highlights a little the problem of file management. We move files around quite a bit to deal with current issue, options, work in progress, superseded, etc. This is a bad enough problem as it is and then we throw WGR into the mix and it can be a minefield.
As you already mentioned, this seems to be a very minor problem which you have to deal with in any system. You can always delete the reference links and have your one file can't you?
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Maybe the one file system at present is the only way to handle this issue, but as in Multi File Databases, similar to FileMaker, one can segregate Data Sets into different files while each is connected actively updating as changes are made in each.
Exactly what I had in mind. WGR probably just needs some more intelligence to be aware of how changes in one file affects another. Seems much more doable IMHO rather than having to associate every single object, layer, class or whatever to a specific team member.
C4d Advanced Render or Vray
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AR = Advanced Render. It's the rendering module you can purchase with the basic cinema 4d package --- somewhat similar to how Renderworks work in VW.