Did the construction business stopped using Nails ??

[FBernardo]

Hi all,

 

I have been doing some 1:5 details and I've found myself using loads of screws from the toolsets (architecture) but I cannot for the life of me find Nails, so I'm guessing that the industry left the nails in the bin and stopped using them or just Vectorworks doesn't like nails?? 

 

I use the screw tool to simulate the nail but never gives the proper look of a nail I know you can make your own symbol but is it that hard to give also the option to make the Nail part of those same tools as the screws??

[Benson Shaw]

Fasteners is a vast subject. In a way, I don't blame vwx for incomplete options. Its rather a fools errand for vwx to try to include EVERYTHING in every size, past present and future, from all manufacturers (there are slight differences). But in another way, I think a more nimble PIO is called for. I keep a favorites file for fastener objects I’ve modeled.   Many forum threads discuss fastener modeling. Shows the need to improve. 

 

Nails? At least add a few of the basics - standard and finish heads in several sizes for US and metric. The prominence of nail guns in stick construction indicates need for clipped head versions.

 

Screws? Add bugle heads? Torx drive? 

 

Bolts and Machine Screw systems? Add Couple nuts, Nyloks, truss head, Drive options (slot, cross, square, hex, torx, even some of the “security” options, Threaded rod, various concrete and earth anchors.

 

Cable clamps and stops? Thimbles? Turnbuckles? Hose clamps? 
 

I think at minimum, update the PIOs (annually?) with addition of at least one or two of the currently evolved construction industry fastener iterations. The tools would become more effective over time.  Another option would be user input/customization option in one or more of the fastener PIOs. A blank template to accept user geometry and associated data with scaling built in for the various sizes. A crowd sourced library?
 

-B

[Kevin McAllister]

11 hours ago, Benson Shaw said:

 I think a more nimble PIO is called for. 

 

I've found myself having to detail fasteners more often than expected. I'm grateful for what exists but more would definitely be helpful.

Kevin

 

[DSmith2300]

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Cable clamps and stops? Thimbles? Turnbuckles? Hose clamps? 

Hey don't forget chewing gum and bits of duct tape!

[digitalcarbon]

now if this could exist in the cloud then us sharing it with would be an ever ongoing upgrade...as I only have one nail modeled.

 

 

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[halfcoupler]

No need for nails at all. The Entertainment people say:

 

"If you can't fix it with tape, you simply need more tape"

 

sorry,- could not resist to post this here... 😉

 

Thank you for sharing, @digitalcarbon

 

[rjtiedeman]

I prefer to think of VWX as a big picture tool. Rather than drawing screws and nails you would have to include adhesives. I keep that stuff in the notes if needed. I also have a long standing policy to insist that the contractor take responsibility for their work. and if a roofer wants to a hammer and another wants a nail gun then OK. Just do-it the best way.

 

In any case if you built files and included nails you would need a super computer to work with the files.

[FBernardo]

1 hour ago, rjtiedeman said:

I prefer to think of VWX as a big picture tool. Rather than drawing screws and nails you would have to include adhesives. I keep that stuff in the notes if needed. I also have a long standing policy to insist that the contractor take responsibility for their work. and if a roofer wants to a hammer and another wants a nail gun then OK. Just do-it the best way.

 

In any case if you built files and included nails you would need a super computer to work with the files.

 

While true, i'm not talking about the nails in 3D i'm talking about the tool that provides the screws in 2D, and just saying that it could have the option for nails which was and still is the most common used. 

 

Although as everything in VW you design your own and keep it in the vectorworks personal/company library.

[rjtiedeman]

I have built 3D proof of concept mockups that included screws. When the 3D stereolithography models came back we used real screws to assemble the parts. The 3D fakes were used to get quotes from vendors and discuss assembly issues with the team. It was one product not a building. We would never waste our budget on building unnecessary parts into our drawings.

[digitalcarbon]

this company is doing the work of every vendor...this is the gold standard of a supplier...

the point is when we need a 3d fastener we should be able to get it fast...

 

https://www.mcmaster.com/97801A510/