digitalcarbon Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Moving all this type of stuff over to the mechanical dept (Onshape)... 23-27 69 00 Antivibration Mountings.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 23-37 00 00 110 Blocks.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 23-37 00 00 Equipment Racks.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 23-39 23 00 Electrical MH.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 23-39 29 11 Waste Water Drains.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 So "sub-systems" are being compiled in Onshape along with the BOMs and then those assemblies are exported into VW for placement on the site or building. 1 Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 A sample of a sub-system...something like this will now be done in mechanical cad. Using VW for collecting and placing these systems on a site & working with civil for Northings & Eastings. The shortcomings of mechanical cad are they don't work with the ground plane concept nor should they. If someone developed a way to import mechanical cad models into a good 3d civil cad. Auto CAD civil 3d doesn't count its terrible VW VGM is the gold standard of what 3d should look like. (Onshape models import well) Then you could say good by to Revit, BIM360, Archicad, etc At this point I think I could do a bridge, sky scraper & definitely a house foundation, in mechanical cad. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 There is this company I started to do work for...they are 99% mechanical so I recommended Onshape. They were going down the Solidworks route. They have me around because they want some buildings etc. and as I have said before "mechanical cad is terrible for buildings..." Then one particular msTeams meeting there cad guy showed the following image (see below) Apparently I do not know what I'm talking about. I am now rethinking my office paradigm... My vw dept has now been reduced by 50% and I'm now pushing as much as I can into the mechanical cad side of my office. DTM site stuff, Northing & Easting w/ elevations & Existing conditions 2d stuff, still has a strong foot hold in VW. See those doors in the image? They are parametric. Not parametric like we are typically use to (OIP). But truly parametric stuff that you set up yourself to do exactly what you want...no need to wait for someone at vw to fix/imporve something for next years version... 2 Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 have fun guys... 13-23 19 27 Electrical Rooms.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 just in case..if anyone thinks I'm abandoning vw for a full on mechanical approach I'm not...not by a long shot. 1 Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 12 hours ago, digitalcarbon said: There is this company I started to do work for...they are 99% mechanical so I recommended Onshape. They were going down the Solidworks route. They have me around because they want some buildings etc. and as I have said before "mechanical cad is terrible for buildings..." Then one particular msTeams meeting there cad guy showed the following image (see below) Apparently I do not know what I'm talking about. I am now rethinking my office paradigm... My vw dept has now been reduced by 50% and I'm now pushing as much as I can into the mechanical cad side of my office. DTM site stuff, Northing & Easting w/ elevations & Existing conditions 2d stuff, still has a strong foot hold in VW. See those doors in the image? They are parametric. Not parametric like we are typically use to (OIP). But truly parametric stuff that you set up yourself to do exactly what you want...no need to wait for someone at vw to fix/imporve something for next years version... Is this Onshape moving into architecture or has Onshape long been able to do this? Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 Onshape has no interest in moving into architecture and has stated so. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 it was just someone else showing me what could be done vs my blind assumption. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 23-13 23 00 Strut Channel.vwx 23-23 25 00 Scaffolding.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) a parking garage, oil rig platform Edited June 21, 2022 by digitalcarbon Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 Site stuff like this needs to be done in a program that can work with Northings & Eastings, UTM, Civil Stuff. VW does a great job with this. Model the mh fab drawings in Onshape...then import into VW and place in the correct xyz The problem is, while the civil 3d people can import this model from vw...they cannot really deal with it...it seems that most of the 3d work they do is lines that are 3d which say "the end of this line (representing a pipe) is at invert XXX.Xft" so they are not use to dealign with actual 3d models... Quote Link to comment
Mark Aceto Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 12:09 PM, digitalcarbon said: See those doors in the image? They are parametric. Not parametric like we are typically use to (OIP). But truly parametric stuff that you set up yourself to do exactly what you want...no need to wait for someone at vw to fix/imporve something for next years version... This is an excellent point. I'm beginning to think that many of the stock parametric PIO's are just a starting point for new users, and that I'm better off modeling the objects myself (like Rhino) because in the end, the stocks tools only get me 80% of the way there, and then I go down a rabbit hole of trying to find a workaround... They're a blessing and a curse but we don't have to use them. This is especially true of the ones that have been abandoned over the years. Model it, slap a custom record on it, keep moving... Quote Link to comment
Mark Aceto Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) On 6/18/2022 at 12:09 PM, digitalcarbon said: There is this company I started to do work for...they are 99% mechanical so I recommended Onshape. They were going down the Solidworks route. How does Onshape compare to Solidworks when it comes to file interoperability with VW (being that VW and SW are both solids vs mesh-based, and built on Parasolid)? Is Onshape mesh-based? It looks like Onshape is also Parasolid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasolid Edited June 22, 2022 by Mark Aceto Quote Link to comment
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