Ben3B Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Hello I have a data visulization with color by truss length, fill color and pen color are the same, because if I put the pen in black with "small" zoom it become "unreadeable" ... But the truss name is also colored , how can I have the truss name in black ? I tried by filter class truss label ... but it doesn't work... I also tried with 2 Data visualization , on for the colore by length and one for the truss name , doesn't matter wich is 1 or 2, that doesn't work ... Thanks !!! Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Remove the Fill property from the Truss Label Class. You may have to go to the Truss Symbols and check that the Text is set to By Class. Edited February 25, 2022 by markdd Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, markdd said: Remove the Fill property from the Truss Label Class. You may have to go to the Truss Symbols and check that the Text is set to By Class. I already try, and if no mistake, that doesn't work... because the graphiq attribut is by data vis .... (you can see the glasses ...) Edited February 25, 2022 by Ben59 Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 ok but the truss name is red , I want it black 🙂 Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I don't think that is possible. You will have to use a data tag instead. Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, markdd said: I don't think that is possible. You will have to use a data tag instead. Ah yes turn off the classe name, label and use datatag instead .... 🙂 Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Or try this setting..... (No data tag) Edited February 25, 2022 by markdd 1 Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) oh yes it works !!! thanks to the thicness at 0!!! Many thanks @markdd Edited February 25, 2022 by Ben59 2 Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 Hello I've another problem ...1 this settings works for top plan view but not for other wireframe view ... and if for one reason I ve a truus element who isn't in top plan view for example vertival truss, i can't see it ... The only solution I think, is to draw all truss element as hybrid symbol in top, front, side view but I ve no idea for isometric view... is someone more imaginative ??? Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 also , anyboone know why in the report the img by data vis works for truss elt but not for pipe (ex50...) Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Hello I've other problem as you can see the symbol in the report doesnt all take the datavisualizatuion color ... Edited June 13, 2022 by Ben59 Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 it works in hiden line and other view than top plan 2d Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 @Pat Stanfordhello who is the truss / datavisualization specialist @ vectorworks ??? 🙂 Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I don't know who the data visualization specialist is, but Jesse Cogdell seems to the the truss specialist. @jcogdell Can you comment on this problem? Quote Link to comment
Mark Aceto Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 12:46 AM, Ben59 said: also , anyboone know why in the report the img by data vis works for truss elt but not for pipe (ex50...) Does the pipe have the same record? BTW one solution to all of this is to create a custom record that you apply to as many objects as you want: truss, pipe, clamps, hardware, hoists... By using the same custom record, you only have to create 1 data vis rule (vs the same rule for each record). If necessary, you can use the Data Manager to refine that with mappings, calculations... That might sound like "a lot" but I find the stock stuff is a starting point but you're limited to the records provided (and which objects have which records but not others). Once you customize the record, you're mostly limited by your own imagination. And you definitely have a good handle on this stuff based on the posts above. Quote Link to comment
Mark Aceto Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Also, as someone that's battled truss data vis in worksheets, I discovered that records are the most reliable (fewest issues) to use data vis. Symbol names can be problematic, and never use classes. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee jcogdell Posted June 16, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 16, 2022 I don't have much experience using truss data vis in worksheets, so I can't say for certain why the data vis doesn't display correctly. Can you post the file so I can have a look? In regards to the pipe not taking the data vis, @Mark Aceto is correct, the most likely reason is that the pipe doesn't have the same data record or object type as the data vis is set up for. Personally I tend to convert my pipes into truss objects to get round this issue and then use the criteria object using parameter, Truss, Name for my data vis as this parameter normally a combination of the truss type and length. 1 Quote Link to comment
Mark Aceto Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 hours ago, jcogdell said: Personally I tend to convert my pipes into truss objects to get round this issue and then use the criteria object using parameter, Truss, Name for my data vis as this parameter normally a combination of the truss type and length. That's a great point. Ever since watching @markdd's tutorial, I created a library of pipe symbols (stock lengths) that are converted to truss objects. I almost never use the pipe tool by itself. Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) hello thanks for answer , sorry i was busy this time ... The pipe have the same records than the truss because it comes from the official library 🙂 So Adam Chekir who is the official french spotlight support explain me that is a probleme withe the 2d representation ... The truss datavis rebuild imag from the 2d reprentation and the truss pieces who hasen't color hasen't 2d representation in my drawing because theyr are not in "normal" position for example 90° turned ... So one solution is to make truss element for all possible position and use the appropriate symbol... The other one as say earlier is to use hiden line but it takes time ... Another solution is to use data vis legend instead of worksheet, but I'll apreciate to have a checkbox to show only stuff who are in drawing . And "finally" have a "ghost" layer with all trusses elements in normal position and by the way with they 2d representation... But I need to be careful and exclude it from reports 🙂 here the files https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eUk4wL1YYGkXyKlxQYEgRy5PvyULHBo1/view?usp=sharing here is his answer passed thru google translate :"The table can only display wireframe images with dynamic attributes as you wish, only if the symbol used by the bridge has a 2D representation. This is the case for the SC300 - 3m which is visible with its 2D representation in the 2D plane. If the bridge element is placed vertically, the tool rebuilds a 3D symbol from the original symbol. That's why you have several 3D symbols appearing in your resource manager. One solution would be to make 2D/3D symbols specific to each position of bridge elements in the drawing. A simpler solution would be to cheat a little with the visibility of the objects and the board by putting the missing elements on the 2D plan drawing for the board to read them and display the images." Edited July 6, 2022 by Ben59 Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Up, here is another file with same kind of problem... =IMAGEBYDATAVIS(KrdTrussLAFilaire) doesn't work as expected, it only work with shaded img ... I've also problem with truss classe such as magnet insert point and simplified who are alwys displayed in report shaded view ... I tried to work with datavisualizations because the topplan view doesn't work for trusses who are not in top plan postion (vertical or rotated instead off top plan ...) Grill.vwx Edited August 31, 2022 by Ben59 Quote Link to comment
livespace josha Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Not sure if this answers your questions, but here is my workflow: I use the "Simplified" class for doing Data Viz on truss objects (FINALLY found a good use for that class after years of complaining!). I color-code it and do a thick black pen to make it really stand out. I typically do a separate page or viewport, depending on the complexity for my truss build details. I modify the key to make sense in real-world terminology. Not very elegant, but it really gets the job done while on site. Probably not something I'd present to a client, but great for coordination and field work. Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) On 9/8/2022 at 7:03 PM, livespace josha said: Not very elegant, but it really gets the job done while on site. Probably not something I'd present to a client, but great for coordination and field work. Thanks for answer me , as you write it's not elegant 😉 but till I'll have a "correct" answer that what I'll do but the problem with that solution is that you have to edit the datavis and uncheck trusses element who are not in plot ... to have a legend who isnt unnecessarily full Edited September 13, 2022 by Ben59 Quote Link to comment
Ben3B Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 @jcogdelldid you take a look ? Thanks! Quote Link to comment
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