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Hi yawl,

 

Has anyone worked with the ladder tool and connected it to a piece of truss? My typical work around for this is to put a point load in for the weight of the ladder. I got some time for this project so I figured I would try a new method to make the model better. 

 

Thanks,
Sam

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Hi Sam

The lighting pipe ladder doesn't really work with Braceworks,
Personally I use it for layout and documentation but like you use point loads to represent the ladder for Braceworks calculation.

I've not managed to find a good work around for this myself either.


 

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Is there a reason the selected loads don't SUM in "Load Overview"?

 

Since it's not really possible to use the Ladder tool with Braceworks, I just want a quick way of adding up the vertical load so I can manually add the weight to a pair of point loads. 

 

Any way to quickly select and sum the weights?

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@Projx_CA
This is goes back to the issue of the lighting pipe ladder not being Braceworks enabled.
In the load detail pane the lights are highlighted red to show that they are not hung from/connected with a Braceworks structural object.
This means that although they display in the load detail view and each has an associated weight, they do not apply that weight to the rigging system, this is why the force column is empty.
In the load overview they are present as load categories because you have them selected but none are connected to the rigging system so no total load for them is calculated, displayed or applied to the rigging system.


 

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There are potential workarounds that you can try

  1. use a point load to represent the total weight of the lights and ladder, in your case since you are using 2 hoists I would add a short pipe for the hoists and point load to attach to
  2. Another option is to try converting the ladder into a hanging position, I'm not sure how well this would work as it would still not have the full structural data in the background for how the ladder itself will behave under load but it should give your the correct loads acting on the hoists (I'm not 100% sure though)
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On 8/12/2022 at 2:11 AM, jcogdell said:

Use a point load to represent the total weight of the lights and ladder, in your case since you are using 2 hoists I would add a short pipe for the hoists and point load to attach to

 

Yes, this is the way....just need a quicker workaround to tally that point load.

 

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On 8/24/2022 at 6:44 PM, Projx_CA said:

Yes, this is the way....just need a quicker workaround to tally that point load.

If you want a non-braceworks worksheet with all the items on the system in question, @Sam Jones has a tool to gather all items and add them to a worksheet with weights.

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The command Scott is talking about is called "Collect & Total Weight".  It will create a worksheet and list all the selected objects with their weights, both imperial and metric, and total both.  Objects with no weight are listed and colored red.  You can enter your own weight amounts to correct "0" entries or override other weights you feel are inaccurate.  The command is one of the 140 plus commands in AutoPlot Tools for Spotlight.

HTH

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