Window over door problem

[Skia_D]

The attached screenshot of wall model is from a .vwx file which was updated from 2021 to 2022. The wall is 14' tall and the window is supposed to be a clerestory window over a 4-panel sliding door. Actually I had 3 clerestory windows but deleted two to illustrate the problem better. As you can see the brick veneer (and probably other components) are extending below the window obscuring part of the door. What gives? I've tried multiple settings and have noticed the window and door tool now have new features. I tried a variety of settings to see whether any of those could be the issue, to no avail. The 2021 file did not exhibit this problem.

[michaelk]

If you drag the window and/or door out of the wall and reinsert does the problem fix itself?

[zoomer]

I have seen this problem before by someone else in the German Forum.

2 Windows over each other in that case, with same result.

 

Not sure if it was already sent as a Service Request,

or that someone said it will be fixed with SP3.

 

 

[Tom W.]

I think I had this recently. I had to offset the top light 0.1mm to the side in order for things to display correctly

[Skia_D]

@michaelk Nope. Tried that.

@zoomer Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Ich kann, nur ein bisschen, so I suppose that won't help for me to easily find that (unless the German Forum ist auf Englisch)! Do you think you would be able to find that again?

@Tom W. I tried this, shifting varying degrees, both beyond edge of door below and toward center of door. Nope!

[Boh]

With the WinDoor tool you can combine most types of doors and windows into one unit.

[E|FA]

With the standard Door tool you can add a Transom.

[Skia_D]

Understood, @Boh and @E/FA, but these windows are meant to be clerestory windows, not combined into one unit with door as transom window(s). Definitely not changing the design just because the software won't currently let me do what I need to do!🙄 Instead I'd go with the option of keeping to 2021 for this project unless issue is resolved.

[zoomer]

2 hours ago, Skia_D said:

@zoomer Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Ich kann, nur ein bisschen, so I suppose that won't help for me to easily find that (unless the German Forum ist auf Englisch)! Do you think you would be able to find that again?

 

 

Found it 🙂

 

https://www.vectorworksforum.eu/topic/22614-vectorworks-2022-wände-und-fenster-bug/#comment-98720

 

 

(https://www.vectorworksforum.eu/topic/22614-vectorworks-2022-wände-und-fenster-bug/?do=findComment&comment=98725)

"Dieser Bug wurde bereits gemeldet. Er  soll in SP3 behoben sein."

 

> known bug - should be fixed in SP3 .....

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by zoomer

[zoomer]

2 hours ago, Skia_D said:

@zoomer Sprechen Sie Deutsch?

 

 

Ein bisschen :))

[Skia_D]

Et voila! (Switching it up!;-) Vielen Dank, Zoomer! I guess I need to wait for SP3 or revert to 2021 on this one.

[Benson Shaw]

Total workaround but I think this works, at least graphically:

 

Make a negative wall peak (a gap in the wall) above the door.  Fill the gap with a new wall. Put the clerestory windows in the new wall.

 

Probably screws with data and plan annotations.  But maybe workable?

 

-B

[Pat Stanford]

Can you post a file with the wall, door and window so we can actually see what is happening?

 

I just tried to recreate and was not able to, so it may have to do with your wall or door or window settings.

[Tom W.]

11 hours ago, Skia_D said:

@Tom W. I tried this, shifting varying degrees, both beyond edge of door below and toward center of door. Nope!

 

Apologies I just checked + what was happening to me was something different. My door + top light were displaying fine in 3D:

 

it was the Top/Plan display that was incorrect:

 

Unless that's how it's meant to look? I have not used clerestory windows before. At any rate this was how I wanted it to look + to achieve this I had to move the window 0.1mm to the left:

 

Nevertheless this basically supports what Pat says about not being able to replicate your problem with the 3D display. Unless it's specific to it being a 4-panel sliding door?

[Skia_D]

Not specific to a 4-panel door. Attached .vwx file has the wall with 4 different configurations. Also attached is a new screenshot for reference.

Window over door problem.vwx

[Tom W.]

@Skia_D I had a look at your file + the sooner SP3 comes out the better! Be good to have someone like @Matt Panzer confirm the bug will indeed be fixed.

 

It's funny because with my door + windows it works fine:

 

And your window worked when I removed the sill:

 

But in your desired configuration no amount of editing of the sill/threshold/jamb settings would achieve anything better than this:

 

[Skia_D]

Thanks for digging deeper. Much appreciated. Pat, have you given it a shot?

[Pat Stanford]

I did and could not find a work around either. It definitely looks like it is having a problem with Wall Closures inside the Door. 

 

I don't know enough about closures to even know where to start to try any thing else.

 

Sorry.

 

 

[E|FA]

@Matt Panzer It looks like there is another Wall Closure bug for you to take a look at in this thread.

[Tom W.]

I don't think that @Skia_D was using Wall Closures in the file...? 2D Exterior Wall Detail yes but not Wall Closures...

[Matt Panzer]

30 minutes ago, E|FA said:

@Matt Panzer It looks like there is another Wall Closure bug for you to take a look at in this thread.

 

This bug (VB-184897) has already been submitted and is currently being looked at.

 

1 hour ago, Tom W. said:

@Skia_D I had a look at your file + the sooner SP3 comes out the better! Be good to have someone like @Matt Panzer confirm the bug will indeed be fixed.

 

All I can say is that it's a very high priority bug.  I'm sure everything possible will be done to get this fixed soon.  I just cannot promise how soon just yet.

[Skia_D]

Correct. No Wall Closure. Using "1" Exterior Component for Exterior Wall Detail.

[Benson Shaw]

The notch works.  Not elegant, but result is OK render.

-B

 

 

AWindow over door problem.vwx

Edited February 10, 2022 by Benson Shaw

[Skia_D]

Thanks, Benson. If I didn't have 2021 to revert back to I would do that, or just stack two walls, one with door and one with windows. Too bad bugs have to go and make life more complicated!