P Retondo Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) I've purchased both 2021 and 2022, but I'm still using 2020 because I haven't heard anything that makes it seem worthwhile to update. I'm strongly considering discontinuing my Service Select. Can anyone with good architectural experience with VW give me a good reason or two to continue getting updates? Even some minor improvements would be worthwhile, though I have to admit that VW's failure to understand the importance of screen plane objects is deeply discouraging as an indication of future trends. But, for example, window sills in 3d have never (ever) worked - is that working now? Window and door types do not correspond to common real-world objects, such as multiple track sliding doors. And my current pet peeve, there is no longer a way to model a U-configured stairs with two landings at the turn instead of 1 (for some reason you can do 2 landings and 1 step, but not 2 landings). Edited January 7, 2022 by P Retondo Quote Link to comment
Popular Post zoomer Posted January 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, P Retondo said: I haven't heard anything that makes it seem worthwhile to update. Is v2022 worth installing? Big YES, from my (personal) side. For me the greatest VW upgrade ever. There are so many questionable things changed/improved that I discussed since I went into VW in 2014. Like Screen Plane, Unified View, ..... which I thought would never improve. Now they are legacy but still to activate, if you need for your workflow. Walls and their Components are real Solids now. Window Openings can therefore get real Wall Components "framing" (?) For Mac users it brought native Apple Silicon support. Unexpectedly, VW Windows is now also DirectX. It doesn't still run that smoothly at the moment because of the big changes, but which previous VW upgrade ever did. For me VW 2022 is a big step in the right direction. Edited January 8, 2022 by zoomer 6 Quote Link to comment
P Retondo Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Besides eliminating Screen Plane - which you didn’t like - is there any positive reason, for someone who actually thinks screen plane was a brilliant concept, to upgrade to 2022? Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Well, for me it was mainly : On 1/7/2022 at 11:40 PM, zoomer said: Walls and their Components are real Solids now. Window Openings can therefore get real Wall Components "framing" (?) For Mac users it brought native Apple Silicon support. Unexpectedly, VW Windows is now also DirectX. Plus I now have access to Australian WinDoor Tool. Or Twinmotion Exchange. Or Materials by Face. Would have to read the Release Notes again to remember all what I like in special. Edited January 9, 2022 by zoomer Quote Link to comment
P Retondo Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Right, but walls were solids before - in other words, you can cut through them in sections, etc. I don't quite understand what you mean. I've overlaid window openings with custom 3d objects before, not sure what difference you are seeing. WinDoor would be cool to have - is that in the US version? I used to own it as a 3rd party add-on. It was way cumbersome, but, if so, that's the kind of thing I'm looking for in an upgrade. Just a few little improvements would keep me happy! BTW, I started with MiniCAD version 2, I think. This software was originally based on the idea of a hybrid 2D/3D environment, and at that time there was no such thing as a "Screen Plane" object, all 2D objects were in true two dimensions (unlike ACAD, which always had a Z component to their objects). Then I guess VW got AutoCAD jealous, and had to put a Z component on 2D objects, which were then called "Layer Plane." That's when VW started to lose its original inspiration, which was solidly based on centuries of 2D design and representation of 3D objects, linked to the new 3D modeling capabilities of fast computers. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, P Retondo said: Right, but walls were solids before - in other words, you can cut through them in sections, etc. I don't quite understand what you mean. I've overlaid window openings with custom 3d objects before, not sure what difference you are seeing. If you ungrouped Walls before you only had a bunch of loose Faces. Same for Exports like DWG. No you have true (Parasolid Modeling Core) (Generic) Solids. Before Walls just faked a 3D edibility for things like cutting out Windows or Doors. Touching Slab Components (arbitrarily) added extra unnecessary tesselation in Wall Faces - or not. Now Solids may open up future options for calculating real (correct) volumes or areas. Edited January 9, 2022 by zoomer Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, P Retondo said: WinDoor would be cool to have - is that in the US version? You can download it as a "Plugin" Menu > Help > 3rd party products > WinDoor (But AFAIK the future of WinDoor Plugin is to deprecate it once all of its features went into the standard VW Window and Door Tools, for technical reasons) Quote Link to comment
Flair-Studio Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Hi Zoomer, Sorry how do you find Windoor: I have installed the plugin but never used it yet - do you think it is worth that I spend some time to learn it? thanks!! Quote Link to comment
P Retondo Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Thanks, Zoomer, for your input. When you say you can download WinDoor as a plugin, did you have to pay extra for it? It would be great if WinDoor can be incorporated into the standard VW tools and we can integrate its features into native VW. Quote Link to comment
line-weight Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) No, you don't have to pay for it. It's included for free with 2022. I've not yet had time to experiment with it a lot, but it does look better than the "standard" window and door tools (it would be difficult for anything to be worse). It's designed mainly for an Oz/NZ market I think and I've yet to see whether that matters, for users in other regions. On your question about windowsills, someone might correct me but I think they still don't work properly. Edited January 10, 2022 by line-weight 2 Quote Link to comment
E|FA Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 One thing to think about regarding getting started with WinDoor is that it looks like it won't be getting long term development and support (this was noted by a VW employee in another thread). VW has been pretty good about keeping legacy tools operational, so depending on your needs it could still be a worthwhile change. Quote Link to comment
line-weight Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I would go with windoor if it seems to work better than the native tools, because even if it never gets updated from now on, we have no news on when the native tools will ever get improved, and I'm putting my money on "no time soon". 2 Quote Link to comment
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