Shani Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I am desperately trying to use the fit walls to roof command but the walls always are coming up too tall and not even fit properly (the angles are off). The roofs I've been trying with are skillion roof faces, but I aslo want to fit other walls to a roof which is a curved 3d extrusion - will this work? Thanks Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I'm glad I'm not the only person having trouble with this. Unless the roof is very simple it rarely works correctly. I've also had some very bizzare distortion results when the walls have central intersecting cavities. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted December 3, 2004 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 3, 2004 Make sure the geometry you want to fit your walls to is on a different layer than the walls. See if this fixes your problem. Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Robert, why do we have to have the geometry on a separate layer, how about making it work better with geometry on the same layer, and another thing, why can;t we have geometry on invisible classes ignored? Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted December 4, 2004 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 4, 2004 We -are- making it work better with geometry on the same layer. (This is a bug). I was unaware of the issue with invisible classes. You should submit this to bugsubmit@nemetschek.net. Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Robert When I get some free time I will extract the information from two of my models where the fit to roof command has not even gone close to an accurate result and email them to you. The roofs in question are on a separate layer and I will concede that the roofs are a little complex - the results were dissapointing though. THis brings me to my next point - THE FIT WALLS TO ROOF COMMAND NEEDS AN UNDO CAPABILITY THAT RESTORES THE WALL TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE. I know you can go in and manually do this with the 3D reshape tool but you shouldn't have to. I have had instances where the wall has ended up being so distorted that it has been nigh on impossible to do this manually (spikes above and below withhout vertices). Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted December 5, 2004 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 5, 2004 Mike and others, Fit Walls has undergone bugfixing in an upcoming maintenance release. I hope this will have solved your problems, but if you have conditions that fail we will be very interested to see them at bugsubmit@nemetschek.net Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 i have submitted a smiple roof and walll that fails to fit. Quote Link to comment
Shani Posted December 5, 2004 Author Share Posted December 5, 2004 At least I'm not alone... so do I just need to adjust the heights of the walls manually? (this is my first project on VW). Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 You can adjust the walls manually (we all did that for a looong time). But there are other tricks. Sometimes I create a "dummy" layer in which I place 3d objects that only exist for one purpose: to use with the FWTR command. Sometimes running the FWTR command on one wall at a time does the trick. Remember, you can always hit "command z" (undo) to get back to where you were...Play around, have fun. I'm sure you will find a reasonable solution.:-) Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 When I'm in this situation of having to do manual reshaping of walls I use the following technique: - temporarily change the roof pen colour to something easily seen such as red or blue. - layer link the roof layer into the required wall layer. - unlock the layer link and move it vertically into the correct location for the walls in question. (For some reason it does not come in at the correct height even when the Z of the wall layer and the roof layer are identical) - Use SEND TO BACK on the linked roof and then relock it. - Reshape the walls with the 3D reshape tool. When all of the necessary manual reshaping has been completed the linked roof can be unlocked and then deleted, After this you need to go back to the roof layer and return the pen colour for all off the roof elements back to their class or original colour. You can also use the same technique by temporarily PASTING INTO PLACE the required roof elements into the wall layer and then grouping and locking them. Just unlock and delete on completion. This technique works best if your roof has the same Z as the floor immediately below it. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 my Architect Tutorial manual covers the topics of how to deal with reshaping walls in 3D, how to use fit walls to roof and how to make complex roofs.... Quote Link to comment
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