May_Mal Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I am trying to create a sunken storey within my site through using the site modifier, but instead of creating a nice clean edge with a retaining wall it just creates a massive gentle slope through entire site. How to resolve this? I tried pretty much every setting there is... Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 You need to use a Pad with Retaining Edge Modifier rather than a Pad Modifier. And place a Grade Limits around it Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 And it can not be exactly vertical. Just a tiny bit of slope (1 mm or even 0.1 mm difference between the top and bottom) works fine, but true vertical does not. Quote Link to comment
May_Mal Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 This worked brilliantly! Thank you both, @Pat Stanford @Tom W. 2 Quote Link to comment
Poot Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) What @TomW said. Here is a video showing that: Pad with Retaining Edge You basically create the site modifier (pad with retaining edge) from the shape, and once thats done, right click again and send to surface. It should cut into the site as you want. *edit. seems you got to it 🙂 Edited July 28, 2021 by Poot 1 Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, May_Mal said: This worked brilliantly! Thank you both, @Pat Stanford @Tom W. Cool. There's also the 'Create Retaining Wall Site Modifier...' command which might be useful for what you're doing. And to create a Grade Limits which is just a an enlarged version of an existing pad there's the 'Create Grade Limits From Pad...' command 1 Quote Link to comment
line-weight Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Is a retaining edge 'pad' with steps in level at the bottom possible? As this sort of thing is often what's actually required in real life. For example with trench/strip foundations, and/or a building that steps in levels down a site. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 You can probably do it with retaining wall site modifier but I've never tried: Quote Link to comment
Henry Finch Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Does this work with VW Architect site tools? I've never able to figure out how to place a house with basement on a site model removing only the material which was displaced by the house. All the material to be trucked away and not used as fill on the site model. Quote Link to comment
E|FA Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I think your best bet is to use a Pad with Retaining Edge. It's a little confusing how to make it work, you have to set the bottom, then send to surface to create the side walls. The Retaining Wall tool is not available in Architect, though somewhere on the forum I posted a request to make it available. Quote Link to comment
Henry Finch Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 E FA, I'm using Pad with Retaining Edge with confusing crazy unpredictable and minimal controls. Is this because it's through VW Architect? Quote Link to comment
Henry Finch Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 The site tools need a greatly simplified user interface. I should be able to use a solid object and place it on a site model and then subtract that solid object from the site model. With the custom house designs I do we usually have to truck away the cut. The amount of removed material is easily calculated. Quote Link to comment
E|FA Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I agree, there are many user interface issues to deal with. I forget how I figured out the Pad with Retaining Edge workflow, but I think it was trial & error trying to understand the help system: https://app-help.vectorworks.net/2022/eng/VW2022_Guide/SiteModel1/Creating_a_pad_or_pad_with_retaining_edge.htm The other thing you might try is create a solid object like you're describing, and put it into the Site-DTM-Modifier Class. Anything with that Class becomes a site modifier (and the class name can't be changed & is automatically created by VW when you make your first modifier in a file). Let me know if that works, because if it does, I'll be using that method as well. Also, recommended practice is to always set a Grade Limit. If I don't need to set it closer to the building footprint, I default to using the property line to make sure grading remains on the lot. Quote Link to comment
Henry Finch Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 creating solid and putting in "Site-DTM-Modifier" Class isn't recognized. Fastest way found so far: - create polygon and place on site model. put in "layer" plane, not "screen". (actually didn't try screen plane) - set Z height of polygon to bottom of desired cut. - do NOT need to put in "site-DTM-modifier" class - select the polygon and "Create Objects from Shapes...." which is on the "AEC" menu. - object type: “Site Modifier" - select “Pad with Retaining Edge” - (and “proposed” or “existing”) etc. - from menu: “AEC” - “Terrain” - “Send to Surface” - little window comes up. select “Fit the retaining edge” - “Update” site model - Done This cuts out the hole for a building without placing fill around the building on the site. The "Send to Surface" and “Fit the retaining edge” does the job. have to practice since so unintuitive. 1 Quote Link to comment
Henry Finch Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Important to set Z height of polygon before making into site modifier or is it before sending to surface? Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Henry Finch said: Important to set Z height of polygon before making into site modifier or is it before sending to surface? Set the elevation of the Pad in the site modifier preferences when you run the 'Create Objects from Shapes...' command. But you can change it via the 'Elevation' parameter in the OIP at any point after that, e.g. if you need to raise or lower your building, just update the site model after doing so 1 Quote Link to comment
Vitute Posted Sunday at 10:42 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:42 AM Hi, Retaining Edge Modifier is still a bit of a mistery. If you do not follow the excat steps you are messed up e.g. not pushing sent to surface in the settings while creating it BUT, sent to surface only after it's created... etc... - OK, knowing that it works fine. HOWEVER, why using sent to surface - fit the retaining edge command, terain is still slightly changed? I would expect it should follow (fit) the terain, not change it. In the pictures below, pad is set to 400cm, retaining edge - sent to suface - fit retaining edge. In blue - proposed, green - existing. Quote Link to comment
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