CiaMariaPia Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I have an an old existing bearing wall building with a long wall composed of masonry. Due to bearing conditions and some other eccentricities, the wall changes thickness as it travels the length of the building. One side of the wall is in the same plane the entire way and all of the thickness changes are expressed on the opposite side of the wall. Problem: Each time the wall thickness changes, there is a gap in the wall line between the face of the thicker section and the face of the thinner section. How do I get this short, missing "face" to show up in plan? Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 If I understand this correctly you need to activate ‘wall caps’ in the object info palette, for the specific ends of the walls. kinda hard to tell as you walls have no hatch or color. They seem to all be white, with no interior and exterior materials on each side of the walls? Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 @CiaMariaPia if you have drawn the wall in your screen shot as three separate walls, when you turn on the caps it will look (in top/plan) like the middle option below: You might be better to instead draw one wall + use the AEC>Create Wall Recess... command to create a 'feature in wall' as shown in the third option. Also in the AEC menu you have the Pillar... + Create Wall Projection... commands which are also useful for creating irregularly-shaped walls Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Tom You described it perfectly. One thing though....if in your middle example you 'send to back' the flanking thicker walls it has the same look as using the feature in wall. Personally I vote for using the feature because you have one continuous wall. You may need to explain a bit further to CiaMariaPia how to actually accomplish the recess in wall technique. :-) Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Oh, sorry, using the technique I just mentioned you do need to put end caps on the thicker walls to achieve the look.. Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Hey Kevin how's the weather in Tahiti? The send to back method is good, but how well it looks depends on your line weight: With a single component wall like this creating a full height wall recess is v easy - just like clip surface Quote Link to comment
Kevin K Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 More than beautiful here in Tahiti this morning. I will be hitting the lagoon for some quality water time soon. :-) Tom, you are correct regarding the various line weights. As mentioned, I would use the wall recess methodology as opposed to creating three separate walls. Quote Link to comment
CiaMariaPia Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Thanks to both Tom and Kevin some ideas for me to try. My building has a couple of different flavors of this condition. I only illustrated 1 because it was easy to grab a screen shot of that particular spot (2 offsets fairly close together). I have a number of conditions where there is only a single offset and the next offset is 20'-30' away, sometimes on the other side of an intersecting wall. I also have a condition where the wall keeps getting thinner as it steps from 16" thick to 4" thick in 4" increments over a distance of 20 feet or so. But you've shown me a couple of ideas and I'll start trying them out. Thanks again and have a great week! Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Popular Post Matt Panzer Posted December 14, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 You can also use the Wall Join tool (in L-Join mode) to join the wall ends: 6 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted December 14, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Matt Panzer said: You can also use the Wall Join tool (in L-Join mode) to join the wall ends: I should mention that joining them like this will make them part of the wall network and they move as one unit when reshaping. Quote Link to comment
CiaMariaPia Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Matt - Thanks for the tip. This is actually a great solution because it's simple, uses regular workflows (not work-arounds) and avoids the time and effort required to fuss with graphic settings to "hide" the sometime unintended consequences of work-arounds. 1 Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Absolutely Matt. It's by far + away the easiest way to deal with these kinds of walls I'm v glad you pointed it out. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best...! Edited December 14, 2020 by Tom W. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Although I imagine if your wall has components then you'd need to go down the wall projection route... Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted December 14, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 14, 2020 You're welcome for the tip! 2 minutes ago, Tom W. said: Although I imagine if your wall has components then you'd need to go down the wall projection route... It should still work, but I've seen some cases (a bug) where the wall end shoots off into space. Here's an example of it when it works as expected: Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Thanks Matt yes but with feature in wall you can wrap the components. Although I remember it being quite fiddly to get looking right... So if you have a wall recess - an alcove - you can show drywall on the reveals. Although I think if it's not full height you don't get the wrapping on the horizontal surfaces - the soffit + sill - only the vertical reveals. But the fact is, more often than not if you have an irregularly shaped wall it will be a monolithic single component affair (an old wall) so my point is a fairly minor one! Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted December 14, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tom W. said: Thanks Matt yes but with feature in wall you can wrap the components. Although I remember it being quite fiddly to get looking right... So if you have a wall recess - an alcove - you can show drywall on the reveals. Although I think if it's not full height you don't get the wrapping on the horizontal surfaces - the soffit + sill - only the vertical reveals. But the fact is, more often than not if you have an irregularly shaped wall it will be a monolithic single component affair (an old wall) so my point is a fairly minor one! Ah, right. Good point. Wrapping components in cases like this is an issue we'd like to address moving forward. 1 Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 To have really good control of wall component wrapping in as many circumstances as poss would be phenomenal And also with roofs: so you can treat each roof edge independently Thank you! Good luck! Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted December 14, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tom W. said: To have really good control of wall component wrapping in as many circumstances as poss would be phenomenal On our roadmap: 7 minutes ago, Tom W. said: And also with roofs: so you can treat each roof edge independently Yes. This is on our radar. 1 Quote Link to comment
Stéphane Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Hey, May I bump into this topic with a related issue ? I tried the feature technique with a multi components wall and my lines thickness get messed up. See below. Any hints ? Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Is the recess maybe driven by the recess geometry line styles (?) (Or coming from overall Wall line styles ?) Quote Link to comment
Stéphane Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 12 hours ago, zoomer said: Is the recess maybe driven by the recess geometry line styles (?) (Or coming from overall Wall line styles ?) That was my first guess, but no. First line is finishing-concrete-finishing. Second line is concrete-finishing. No issue with this one. Weird, isn't it ? See below. Quote Link to comment
Stéphane Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Progress has been made... I added a line to both side of each component in component settings. Still 3 thick lines missing in the recess. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted September 29, 2022 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted September 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Stéphane said: Progress has been made... I added a line to both side of each component in component settings. Still 3 thick lines missing in the recess. Can you attach a the file? Quote Link to comment
Stéphane Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 15 hours ago, Matt Panzer said: Can you attach a the file? Thank you @Matt Panzer to have a look into it : Test quantités.vwx Quote Link to comment
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