G_Hannigan Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 For those of us who must straddle both worlds - Windows XP on a Mac! http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ George Quote Link to comment
jnr Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Have you seen this? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1946652,00.asp I wonder what Jobs will say about it.. Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Another prediction for the demise of Apple genius ... add it to the long list. "Bootcamp means we'll see more and more Macintoshes in the workplace and at home and more end users will come in contact with what is the only truly unique family of PCs in the industry. Apple industrial design is consistently breathtaking and makes other Intel-based PCs look dull by comparison. People who might never have experienced a Mac or come in contact with one will be turned on?Apple knows this. Bootcamp marks the beginning of the end for Apple as the renegade for the design set and the beginning of Apple as a dominant player in the global desktop PC game. It will become absorbed." Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 I think your reading that wrong EJ. It's certainly not about the demise of Apple genius, but the recognition of its industrial design prowess and the prediction that with the capability to run Windows many will now choose to buy one rather than a Dell, HP or any of the other PC makers, because they can buy a nice looking box that now runs Windows. So if you're the Apple user that gets a kick out of being "different" to the mainstream, regard yourself as better, not like all those other PC computer users you might find you are a little less "unique" in the future. Will they (Apple zealots) be able to handle just being part of the boring old mainstream? Alan [ 04-07-2006, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: alanmac ] Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 now you can safely run VectorWorks on a dual core Intel Mac... Quote Link to comment
P Retondo Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I've noticed, for the last several versions of VW, that the vast majority of complaints about the program crashing come from Mac users. Does anyone have a perspective on whether this new development would make VW run on a Windows Apple/Intel computer in the same way, technically, as it does on a Windows Dell? (No denials about past performance of Macs, please, unless you check back a few years on this site to quantify the number of complaints!) Quote Link to comment
ionw Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 to be a little flippant, I'd say mac users get so used to things not crashing, we get a little whiny when they do. well maybe there is a bit more truth to than that than I first thought... Quote Link to comment
quigley Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 The most interesting comment I have seen is that "Apple makes the fastest Windows PCs and laptops"......wouldn't it be ironic if by the time all the apps that need the power (3D modelling, video etc) become Universal Binaries (and we are talking into 2007 for many/most) that users switch to Windows versions...on a Mac....? Many/most dual platform apps offer cross platform licensing. Same codes work on both. Quote Link to comment
wv_vectorworker Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 quote: Originally posted by quigley: The most interesting comment I have seen is that "Apple makes the fastest Windows PCs and laptops"......wouldn't it be ironic if by the time all the apps that need the power (3D modelling, video etc) become Universal Binaries (and we are talking into 2007 for many/most) that users switch to Windows versions...on a Mac....? Many/most dual platform apps offer cross platform licensing. Same codes work on both. not in a million years. Quote Link to comment
wv_vectorworker Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 to elaborate, Universal Binaries does not mean you get both the Windows and Mac versions in the same box, it means you get Mac Intel/PPC. I doubt NNA is going to give you both Versions, as they don't do that now, do they? Quote Link to comment
propstuff Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 well yes actually. If you get the dongled version it will install on whichever one/s you want and it's the dongle that turns it on. Multiple installs; one licence, one version running at a time. N. Quote Link to comment
quigley Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Sorry WV-Vectorworker, I didn't say UB's meant Windows and Mac versions in the same box. UBs are Mac only. What I said was that some applications that are dual platform (and I primarily was refering to CAD here) offer a one license, any platform strategy. VectorWorks, Ashlar, FormZ to name a few. With v12 you can install VW on either platform. Ashlar have done this for years, as have FormZ. For me, the ability to run dual boot with immediately save on having to purchase extra hardware, and let me run Windows only apps on Mac, such as VX or SolidWorks. In theory. In practise, even with dual boot, there are no drivers available for Mac hardware so things like video run slowly. For office apps its a solution. For CAD its a workaround. For the time being I'll stick to running Apple Macs and Dells....with the same license. Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Since VW12 its been dual platform supplied, with the license purchaser installing it on Apple/Mac or Windows/PC, the dongle working on both, but of course, only one at a time. They used to supply both versions on the disc years ago, the installer firing up from whatever OS you used, but then the serial number was platform specific. Now its tied to the dongle rather than the platform. I too get the impression from seeing the problems and the signatures on posters equipment description that there seems to be a greater number of Mac problems than Windows these days. But of course not only is VW upgrades a contributing factor, Apple is quite prolific in its upgrades to OSX, so this may also be part of the reason. Alan Quote Link to comment
ccroft Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Without knowing what percentage of members use Mac or PC, it's impossible to draw any conclusions from the number of posts about problems on either platform. Quote Link to comment
Kaare Baekgaard Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 This is wonderful news. I have felt somewhat cornered as a Mac-user for some time. The major new software developments have put Mac second for years now and often bypassed the platform altogether. But then again: Mac simply feels like home to me, and its ease of use has allowed me to excel in areas, where I have no formal training - production of DVD promotions, making music in Garageband etc. Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 quote: Originally posted by ccroft: Without knowing what percentage of members use Mac or PC, it's impossible to draw any conclusions from the number of posts about problems on either platform. What has percentage of members using either platform got to do with it when, as I said, I get the impression from the posts here that at the moment Mac users seem to be having more problems than PC users. Most of the time there is a straight forward fix, sometimes just simply a case of running the disk utility and repairing permissions. Alan Quote Link to comment
NickB Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 If the percentage of Mac users is higher (ie. there are more of them) then it might be expected that they would report more problems. Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Okay, lets forget it, I can see where this is going..... I use both MacOSX and WindowsXP with VW. Alan Quote Link to comment
P Retondo Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Anyone know if the new Windows/Apple-Intel will use the same instruction set as a Pentium processor? Or any other perspective on how VW would run at the machine level on the new Apple? Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Just a word of warning I picked up from an email regarding Boot Camp invalidating your warranty if you install Windows. Why create software to allow you to do it then say it will invalidate your Apple Warranty.It does seem strange and would be worth just checking with your Apple dealer. http://www.macuser.co.uk/?news/85936 [ 04-12-2006, 04:23 AM: Message edited by: alanmac ] Quote Link to comment
NickB Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 In response to Alanmac, MacWorld investigated this and say in http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?home&NewsID=14331 > An Apple Europe representative this afternoon told Macworld UK: >"Installing Boot Camp does not invalidate your Apple warranty." They do however strongly advise you to do a full backup. HTH, Nick [ 04-12-2006, 04:55 AM: Message edited by: NickB ] Quote Link to comment
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