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Is the recommended workflow to place Data Tags on a Design Layer or in SLVP Annotations? It works both ways, but I get a very long 'spinning beach ball' lag when I place it in an SLVP Annotation that I do not get when I place it on a DL. Once I get it successfully placed in a SLVP Annotation, selecting the Data Tag again to move it triggers another long spinning beach ball. 

 

I have also found out that Data Tags (at least the Door Dims one found in THIS thread) when placed on a DL do not scale properly with differently scaled SLVPs. So a Data Tag designed with a 10pt font placed on a 1:48 DL becomes 20pt when viewed in a 1:24 SLVP; in other words, it is 2x too large. Is this the expected behavior?

 

Additionally -- using the Door Dims Data Tag from that other thread as my example -- I would like my door dimensions to show up as 36x80 (not as 3'0"6'8"), so I change the Units in the 'Define Tag Field' to Inches, Click OK, but when I reopen the Define Tag Field dialogue box, it has reverted back to Document Default Units.

 

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Here ya go, there are three versions, the original, one that displays as 36 80 and one that displays as 36x80.

Yes, Data Tags are set up to work best on Sheet Layers so that the WILL scale properly.  I'm not experiencing the lag you mention.

Door Dims on Leaf.vwx

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20 hours ago, rDesign said:

Is the recommended workflow to place Data Tags on a Design Layer or in SLVP Annotations? It works both ways, but I get a very long 'spinning beach ball' lag when I place it in an SLVP Annotation that I do not get when I place it on a DL. Once I get it successfully placed in a SLVP Annotation, selecting the Data Tag again to move it triggers another long spinning beach ball. 

@rDesignCould you send me the file showing the lag for further testing please? You can send me a Direct Message or email to jalmansa@vectorworks.net thanks

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6 hours ago, Wes Gardner said:

Here ya go, there are three versions, the original, one that displays as 36 80 and one that displays as 36x80.

 

Great - Thank you @Wes Gardner. That works like a charm!

 

Now I realize what my mistakes were -- in that I didn't fully understand how the 'Define Tag Field' dialogue box worked:

  1. I thought you had to manually type in the Data Source tag parameter names in the Current Tag Field Definition box;
  2. I didn't realize that the 'Add to Definition' button was for both of the upper field selections. The section right above the 'Add to Definition' button was greyed out, so I missed the button completely.

Maybe I was just being dense, but to me the UI in this dialogue could use some improvement. 

 

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6 hours ago, Wes Gardner said:

Yes, Data Tags are set up to work best on Sheet Layers so that the WILL scale properly.

 

Thanks for the clarification on this. Perhaps I missed it, but the Help File page on Using Data Tags doesn't make the distinction that if you want your Data Tags to scale properly they MUST be placed on a Sheet Layer. It only says the following:

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The data tag is placed in the appropriate plane, depending on where the tool is used.

●        Viewport in an annotation context: annotation plane

●        Design layer in Top/Plan view: layer plane

●        Design layer in a 3D view: active plane

 

 

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5 hours ago, JuanP said:

@rDesignCould you send me the file showing the lag for further testing please? You can send me a Direct Message or email to jalmansa@vectorworks.net thanks

 

@JuanP - I sent you a DM with a sample file showing the 'Data Tag Lag' in SLVP Annotations. Thank you.

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First I’m hearing of Data Tags set up to work best on Sheet Layers but that certainly explains their page-based placement. 

 

Why are they not set up to work on Design Layers like myriad other tags and annotations from the space tool to gird lines / dimensions to label legends... 

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@Mark Aceto, the trend is to get annotations, be they data tags, dimensioning, notes, etc. into the Annotation Space of a viewport on a sheet layer.  Grid Lines, although they are created in design layers, work nicely and will show up in both elevation and section when displayed in a viewport on a sheet layer.  I would stop using the Space Tool's tag and start using a Data Tag for room names, etc in a viewport on a sheet layer.  The main reason is scalability.

 

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Hey @Wes Gardner , totally understand the thinking behind that, and it’s certainly great to have the option but the rule of thumb for me has been: only annotate on the SLVP when absolutely necessary.

 

Without listing a bunch of small specific use cases, there are 2 main reasons:

  • I want to edit one time (on the DL) and have those edits populate in all SLVP’s where I can control them with classes
    • The last thing I want to do is dimension 10 SLVPs, revise the DL with client feedback, and then re-dimension 10 SLVPs (especially if a VP corrupts)
      • I realize that dims and DT’s associate to objects but often times I’m adding a new object or… 
  • Entering the annotation mode is slow, and working on SL’s in general is slow

That said, I’ll definitely give this new method a shot with various plots and plans to see if this improves my workflow but the idea of switching back and forth between DL and SLVP annotation modes while working with Braceworks doesn’t sound very efficient. Maybe I’ll just edit / enter the Braceworks DL through the SLVP?

 

Thanks for the tips on the Space Tool. However, there are still cases where I need to use the ST because of the DT's limitations with displaying units, markers, and ability to calculate functions (sometimes literally displaying the function operators vs actually calculating).

 

 

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One of the things that has me very leery of using Data tags is that they seem to randomly disassociate.  Has this issue ever been fixed?

 

 

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On 8/13/2020 at 12:22 PM, rDesign said:
  1. I didn't realize that the 'Add to Definition' button was for both of the upper field selections.

 

Me neither, UI has a lot of room for improvement and/or better documentation.

 

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