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New Plug-In Style from Unstyled Plug-In

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4 hours ago, Kevin Allen said:

I also think a 'new' option should be in the tool bar.

 

Yes, this seem to also be inconsistently implemented. For example, with the Wall tool if you click Preferences in the mode bar, there is already an option to "Save Preferences as Wall Style." But if you go to the Window or Door tools and click the Preferences button, no such such option exists.

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Another change that should happen in all of these Preference dialog boxes:

 

If the object is currently unstyled, there shouldn't be a button that says "Convert to Unstyled." That's super confusing. It should be greyed out unless a style is actually being used.

 

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Agree with the above. The terminology is confusing.

 

Can someone clarify the difference between an object style anda plugin style?

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2 minutes ago, Boh said:

Can someone clarify the difference between an object style anda plugin style?

 

I don't think there is a difference?

 

Where are some places that the phrase "Object Style" is used? That phrase makes more sense than "Plug-In Style."

 

In fact, I'd propose that the phrase "plug-in" be eliminated within the context of the UI entirely; an average user doesn't know what that even refers to. They don't care how an object is coded on the back end. All the objects are simply tools that come with Vectorworks.

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15 hours ago, Andy Broomell said:

 

Where are some places that the phrase "Object Style" is used?

“Object Styles” is a folder name in the User  Libraries. It contains folders for Titleblock Border styles, Data tag styles etc so they can quickly selected when the relevant tool is activated. Wall, Roof and Slab styles though don’t go there. I guess Object styles are plugin styles that use symbol resources whereas Wall, roof and slab styles are plugin styles that have there own non-symbol resources.
 

But yes totally agree with you. Someone learning VW must find this all terribly confusing.

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I train lots of users to use Vectorworks and it always makes me cringe to say the words "New Plug-In Style from Unstyled Plug-In" Please simplify this as not only is a tongue twister for most users its not clear what it means at all?

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How about what the command really does:  "Create New Style from this Object"

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On 6/5/2020 at 12:40 PM, Andy Broomell said:

 

I don't think there is a difference?

 

Where are some places that the phrase "Object Style" is used? That phrase makes more sense than "Plug-In Style."

 

In fact, I'd propose that the phrase "plug-in" be eliminated within the context of the UI entirely; an average user doesn't know what that even refers to. They don't care how an object is coded on the back end. All the objects are simply tools that come with Vectorworks.

 

Walls have Styles, but they are not Plug-in objects. Same with Roof and Slabs.

 

From an end user perspective it probably does not matter for most people as most users will only use use whatever comes with their version of VW.  BUT, for the people who are generating the localized versions it is very important as the can add PIOs that make sense for their markets and remove the ones that don't.

 

 

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For you or I that would be good, but for a newbie, I think there needs to be at least a hint that the settings of the current object will be used as the "defaults" for the style.

 

But does it really matter. VW always seems to have their own ideas on things such as this. Best we can hope for is they will at least read and consider our opinions.

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Hence my original suggestion of "Save as New Style" (though "Save as Door Style" etc. is also good). But Pat is right, Vectorworks surely has their own take on it all.

 

Regardless, even if phrasing weren't changed, it should at least be made consistent across the tools.

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