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Hybrid Symbol Edit, Visually Lacks New 2D Geometry


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Hybrid Symbol Edit, Visually Lacks New 2D Geometry

 

 

When editing existing Hybrid Symbol in past Versions of VectorWorks, double clicking gave you the option to pick the 2-D or 3-D component

 

Selecting 3-D, you could still draw and see additional 2-D Screen Plane objects. Exiting the hybrid symbol these added 2-D objects would become part of the Hybrid Symbol.

 

2020 requires a few additional clicks on the Component Edit Palette.

 

Without clicking these options on the Component Edit Palette you are able to draw 2-D objects, they become active in the object info palette, but they are not visible on the screen? (a bug?)

 

Where is a preference that allows the settings in the Component Edit Palette to be retained for the next use? ... or set to user requirements?

 

This additional Component Edit Palette “feature” complicates the workflow. We typically draw our own monitors and electronics as Hybrid Symbols so that they are very simple to manipulate, yet accurate in a rendering. This helps speed the planning & editing times. The accuracy aids the client in visualizing the design. Example: Monitors & electronics often interface with signs, backing graphics or additional client components.

 

A recent acquisition of new monitors require the need to check / modify several existing hybrid symbols. Excessively complex, now, in VW/RW 2020.

 

Suggestions? - Thanks - Peter

 

 

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Pat - Thanks again for the assistance. I have VW / RW 2020 on a machine at the house - because of a NO Work Situation at the office  ... because of ... (No need to elaborate.)

 

We recently purchased one copy of VW / RW 2020 as the iMacPro was new and 2019 was no longer sold.

 

So it is like a new puzzle! ... odd and frustrating for a person who has worked with VW / RW since MiniCad went 3D.

 

Checking back a few versions, it was quite quick and simple to edit the 3D Part of a Hybrid Symbol and draw / edit Screen Plane 2D Items.

 

We use the 3D component, of a Hybrid Symbol, to accurately size & position the 2D component. We use Hybrid Symbols to quickly design & edit in Top Plan View. Top Plan View is a simple way to communicate with a client. The 3D part of a Hybrid Symbol makes for excellent perspective renderings. Clients may only give us their equipment CAD in 3D for our library. We simplify and create the Hybrid Symbol.

 

Recently we have worked thru a company process to minimize what each Hybrid Symbol looks like in 2D & in 3D. We use almost 90% Hybrid Symbols in our discipline. Several past designers were quite zealous in their desire to create complexity, when little was actually needed for the desired end result. Hence the clean up process.

 

The VW / RW 2020 methodology appears to make, what was a one step edit, into a 2 or 3 step process. I would have a hard time understanding why one would want the 2D Part of a Hybrid Symbol to be other than Screen Plane. As it stands, we would need to Draw  / redraw "2D" as needed in Layer Plane, then re edit the Hybrid Symbol and convert to the desired Screen Plane. Based on this, the plan is to use an older version of VW / RW for this bulk process, and deal with the extra effort needed with 2020 on a one at a time basis.

 

One would assume that, setting the Document Preference > Plane Mode to Screen would get you Screen Plane geometry(?).

 

Any work around would be appreciated. - Thanks - Peter

 

 

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Pat - More information - see attached Screen Recording

 

Document Preference > Plane Mode set to Screen Plane Only

     Edit 3D Component of an existing Hybrid Symbol

          Draw Circle  - Object Info Pallet indicates that a Circle is selected / active

               Plane Option is Blank - No Circle is visible(?)

 

 Document Preference > Plane Mode still set to Screen Plane Only(?)

     In the Object Info Pallet - Select Working Plane / Symbol Definition from Drop Down.

          The Circle is now visible and selected / active in the Object Info Pallet.

 

Change color of fill and pen, No visible change on the screen(?)

     Exit Symbol Edit

 

Re-select / re-Edit 3D Component of same Hybrid Symbol.

     Circle is now visible - sans the fill / pen color changes

          Deselect Circle.  Changes to the  fill / pen color now appear as defaults(?)

               Re-select Circle. Change Plane in Object Info Pallet Drop Down to Screen

                    Circle Disappears.

                         Exit Symbol Edit - 2D Part of Hybrid is almost as expected - sans changes to the  fill / pen color.

 

Would need to Re-select / re-Edit 2D Component of same Hybrid Symbol, to finish

 

As suggested, ill check for updates - Hard to imaging this many oddities in VW / RW 2020

 

(P.S. Notice the Pallets with the Minus & Plus Signs that both stay open ... )

 

Pat, Thanks Again - Peter

 

 

               

 

 

 

 

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The work around is really simple. After you draw the objects on top of the 3D model, select them all and change them from Symbol Definition to Screen Plane.

 

Or once you are editing the 3D portion of the symbol. make sure to set the Active Plane pull down from Symbol Definition to Screen Plane. 

 

In either case after you do so, the Screen Plane objects will then "fall through" to the Top/Plan just as in previous versions.

 

And if you are not on Service Pack 3 of VW2020 please download it. 

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